Again you are ignoring the science. You want to claim the atmosphere affected the movement speed than show an actual feat of it bcs as I see it all we were seeing was Erza's perspective compared to the Meteor's perspective. And Irene gets scaled to the Meteor's "outerspace" speed either way as she has to control the path it's going to reach Earth. That means she has the reaction to control it going at that speed.
I'm ignoring the science? My entire point is backed up by science, not to mention just common sense. Erza has never reacted to anything near that fast in the manga, and to my recollection, neither has anyone else. Broken bones Erza intercepting and destroying Deus Sema was ridiculous anyway, but you're making it even more ridiculous by saying that it didn't slow down. The sonic booms not being there may be strange, but I'll repeat my question from before:
What's stranger, Deus Sema slowing down without making sonic booms, or broken bones Erza reacting to, somehow getting herself in the air and destroying a meteor that went by multiple planets in seconds?
Letting go of staff is not hindering anyone's speed to dodge easy cards. Gild grabbed is staff not August.
Gildarts grabbing his staff was hindering August's ability to dodge:
He got caught in a grapple with Gildarts and refused to let go of his staff. Gildarts then breaks the staff and Cana immediately follows that up with a card attack. And again, keep in mind that August was still shocked about Gildarts figuring out his magic at that point, so it's not like he was paying much attention to Cana.
Erza was already stated to be severely weakened from her fight against Ajeel. A half dead Wendy oneshotted Ezel. Laxus oneshotted Hades while half dead. Julia is pretty darn weak and had done nothing this arc to say she was that much above 9D class.
Good points here, I forgot to factor in the battles they had fought before. That said, if Juvia was having trouble with Keyes, then Gray should've practically one-shot her in Ice Lock. Keep in mind that Juvia ended up tanking punches from bloodlusted DeS Gray, the same guy who sent Invel flying through a wall.
Berserker spell ruins the minds of the soldiers making them crazy. She wouldn't use it unless she had to and it really didn't look like she did or they would've referenced the soldiers as crazy powerful.You were right but Yukino said she only saw Larcade for a second. Sabers looked to be together in the war till U1 so I doubt Rufus or Orga strayed from the pack to fight Bradman or Rufus.
You're right on this, but my point was that we shouldn't be attributing Saber's defeat to Irene alone. Even if it was Irene alone who beat them, we have no idea how it went down. My problem with this is due to the amount of speculation is required if we go down this path, something which I feel is unfair given people are questioning whether Melt was DS magic despite it being with all of the other copied magics.
You want to hype OS by one word that was contradicted as soon as she sent Heine and Juliet? If she found them so troubling why didn't she send Larcade or Bradman who are stronger than both of the sisters?
I already answered this, Bradman and Larcade were already on the battlefield, they were already fighting. And she didn't go herself as she was preparing for the arrival of Acnologia.
The North Forces are stronger than OS. Heck Team FT North and Team Saber were both way stronger as individual team than OS. Honestly give one single feat to say they're above their OS arc version bcs all I see is one single statement and no proof of backing that statement.
The OS should all
at least be GMG level if Cobra's performance against the Rock Dragon is anything to go off. He did just as well as the other dragon slayers despite being imprisoned for 7 years. And if Cobra managed to stay decently powerful being in prison, I don't see why the other OS members wouldn't.
And again, a high tier Spriggan, let alone a 400 year old dragon, wouldn't call 5 Tenrou level characters "troublesome". And tbh they shouldn't even be GMG level due to this.
Jellal oneshotted Neinhart who got two shotted by base Natsu. I wouldn't call him a mid tier S12.
I said Jellal one-shot an S12 with a mid-tier technique, not Neinhart is a mid-tier Sprig. And tbh the whole two-shotted by base Natsu thing doesn't really detract from Neinhart, because Natsu was mid POF speech when he did it, and we know how powerful POF Natsu is.
Rufus, and Orga are good back up as they did go toe to toe with FT greats (Rufus was even stated to hold back against Gray),
They're good back-up, but it shouldn't really make a difference. Saber's three strongest mages are S12 Historia tier, and even that isn't majorly impressive, so two more sub-S12 Historia mages shouldn't make that much of a difference against a Spriggan tier (I'll come back to this later but in terms of where the OS stand IMO).
and Minerva can bfr people to other dimensions.
Which she never does anymore. She mainly just makes large explosions and teleports (and even then, she rarely does the latter now).
Yukino even has usefulness with Libra's gravity pin.
She has to open the gate first though, and as Larcade showed, that's interrupt-able. Seeing as how Jellal's Grand Chariot can smash terrain apart, it should interrupt her.
Combined with the twins who have Holy and Shadow losers make for a deadly team.
Guessing that's a typo.
Sting, Yukino, Rogue, Minerva, Rufus and Orga are pretty much the only notable characters in Sabertooth, and their strongest mages are all Historia S12 tier, meaning Rufus, Orga and Yukino are all weaker than that. Jellal's Grand Chariot should easily tag 3 of them, and it should one-shot the 3 it tags. At best, that leaves base Sting, base Rogue and Minerva. Jellal could just follow up with spells like Pleiades or Kyuuraishin from there. And that's at best. At worst he catches Sting, Rogue and Minerva in GC and goes on to stomp the remainders.
Edit: Just want to layout that I already said Jellal was a strong opponent. What I'm saying is OS isn't Saber level by feats.
By feats (or the lack of them) they're on par with Orga and Rufus. But they were hyped as trouble by Irene. Because of this, they must be better than their GMG selves as GMG top tiers like Jura are fodder now and a high tier Spriggan wouldn't consider fodder "troublesome". If I were to guess where they are on the power scale, it would be:
Midnight: In-between S12 Historia and just under S12 (it's mainly due to illusion hax)
Cobra: In-between S12 Historia and just under S12 (sound magic and poison is tricky)
Racer: Just under S12 Historia (slowing reactions is great but his offense isn't good enough)
Hoteye: Under S12 Historia (his magic is more for support)
As a group, they should be worth a Spriggan, though this is obviously hard to prove due to their lack of proof. That being said, Irene shouldn't be considering anyone below a Spriggan tier "troublesome".
Meteor is not blitzing a Dragon. Dragons cross continents, and Jellal needed a ship to escape Acno. Meteor doesnt even enhance him pass Exceed lvl speed.
What you listed there are speeds though, not reactions. And as for saying Meteor isn't blitzing a dragon:
That's Jellal blitzing Acnologia in Meteor. Keep in mind Acnologia exterminated the dragon race and thus must have better stats than basically all other dragons. He still couldn't react to Meteor.
I want to state this again though, I'm not saying August will use this to attack Irene, this is useful because it means he can avoid claw swipes for some time.
Buff spells increase stats by double. Wendy already showed that she's capable of raising stats in Irene's body as she raised Erza's elemental resistance via Deus Crona.
Fair enough here. As I said though, Meteor August should still be faster though as his Meteor should be better than Jellal's.
