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Netero is our prime example of what a Hunab is capable of at near max potential; Gon was able to rival his power & skill with his sacrafice. Look, how long Netero lived with Nen, mastering Ten.His Hatsu HK in sure cost him very little Nen to use. We know his Zero cannon is an all out attack that will leave him completely depleted.

Think of Killua. He was limited to usin his Hatsu only a few times a day & at a very low lv. Now he's adapted it into a very good Hatsu, that was even good enough to strip a royal guards movements for a few seconds...As he grows stronger in Nen his kanmaru is going to be haxx, for he'll be able to activate it constantly without charging up so frequently, & have more potent attacks.

Yes as mentioned by the author, Nen doesn't really have color. That's for the viewership.
 

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When did they say that aura doesn't have color? Even for the Water Divination technique, Emitters change color of the water with their aura.
 

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When did they say that aura doesn't have color? Even for the Water Divination technique, Emitters change color of the water with their aura.
Your right, for the divination test an emitter type will change the color of the water. The color of nen is never commented on meaning it's probably just a clear/white colorless aura, that nen users see.

aside from the anime* viewership purposes, and attractiveness someone's nen color doesn't indicate their nen Type.
 

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What do you think of Hanzo's cloning technique? We have only seen one of his skills but I guess it's safe to say he is an Emitter? His technique also works like an astral projection of himself, he can choose to make it tangible, intangible and can be seen by normal people.
 

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If the clone can be seen by normal people it would be conjuration rather than emission though.
 

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If the clone can be seen by normal people it would be conjuration rather than emission though.
He is probably using bit of conjuration for the technique. A clone wouldn't be very useful if only Nen users were able to see it.
 

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He is probably using bit of conjuration for the technique. A clone wouldn't be very useful if only Nen users were able to see it.
I am not sure that there would be a point to this hatsu using emission. It would imply him using fairly distant nen types on a technique which would be equally efficient with only one. The impression I had was that this was something like castro's clone (also pure conjuration).
 

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I am not sure that there would be a point to this hatsu using emission. It would imply him using fairly distant nen types on a technique which would be equally efficient with only one. The impression I had was that this was something like castro's clone (also pure conjuration).
Conjurers are bad at Emission. Hanzo's real body is unconscious while he can move with the clone which is made of aura and can become intangible. Conjured items don't shine like he did when he strangled Tuffdy and they can't phase through matter. Kastro conjured a clone but was fighting with him at close range so Emission skills are not that important, but since he was an Enhancer he was good at it anyway, it's the clone itself which was bad. He also needed Manipulation to control it. Hanzo needs to project the clone and control it so Emission is involved.
 

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I think that Hanzo uses pure conjuraton for his clones. I don't think he needs any other category.
There is of course the fact that he can go through matter. I think that's actually a property the user imposes.

Hanzo needs to project the clone and control it so Emission is involved.
I'm pretty confident the clone is controlled directly by Hanzo's counsciousness, and not by Manipulation nen, hence no need for Emission. That's why he imposed the condition on his original body to sleep. If we think about it, it's quite a strict condition, moreover it allows for his mind to switch from the original body to the clone, and probably is also enough to give his clone the ability to pass through walls.
 

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I think that Hanzo uses pure conjuraton for his clones. I don't think he needs any other category.
There is of course the fact that he can go through matter. I think that's actually a property the user imposes.



I'm pretty confident the clone is controlled directly by Hanzo's counsciousness, and not by Manipulation nen, hence no need for Emission. That's why he imposed the condition on his original body to sleep. If we think about it, it's quite a strict condition, moreover it allows for his mind to switch from the original body to the clone, and probably is also enough to give his clone the ability to pass through walls.
If he controls it directly like that then Emission should still be involved since he separates himself from his body. It's an astral projection.
 

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If he controls it directly like that then Emission should still be involved since he separates himself from his body. It's an astral projection.
The way I see it it should be either emission or conjuration. What we have seen does not really hint at a combination. Haven't we seen that the clone can be seen by regular people? That would rule out it being emission altogether. And the phasing would be explained by the great risk the technique carries (being immobile).
 

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The way I see it it should be either emission or conjuration. What we have seen does not really hint at a combination. Haven't we seen that the clone can be seen by regular people? That would rule out it being emission altogether. And the phasing would be explained by the great risk the technique carries (being immobile).
There is that panel where he is strangling Tuffdy though


Look at his head. That's not something you see for conjured items,
 

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If he controls it directly like that then Emission should still be involved since he separates himself from his body. It's an astral projection.
Generally speaking, I don't exclude the involvement of Emission. But at least IMO, I believe only Conjuration is used. My main reason for saying this is Hanzo and Biske's dialogue in the following:

http://www.mangareader.net/hunter-x-hunter/368/16

Hanzo (in the very last panel) speaks about conjuration ( I even checked in japanese and he does say "Gugenka", wich means conjuration). For me this is enough to exclude Emission. Moreover the fact that the clone can be seen by normal people further supports it.

I don't think we should consider very seriously details like how the clone gets separated from the body or that he glows.

I think it's time to summarize the similarities and differences between Conjuraton and Emission, and to state our own conceptions of them. I'll try to do it when i have more time, it would be quite fun discussing that.
 

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Generally speaking, I don't exclude the involvement of Emission. But at least IMO, I believe only Conjuration is used. My main reason for saying this is Hanzo and Biske's dialogue in the following:

http://www.mangareader.net/hunter-x-hunter/368/16

Hanzo (in the very last panel) speaks about conjuration ( I even checked in japanese and he does say "Gugenka", wich means conjuration). For me this is enough to exclude Emission. Moreover the fact that the clone can be seen by normal people further supports it.

I don't think we should consider very seriously details like how the clone gets separated from the body or that he glows.

I think it's time to summarize the similarities and differences between Conjuraton and Emission, and to state our own conceptions of them. I'll try to do it when i have more time, it would be quite fun discussing that.
I do think he uses Conjuration, but only to become visible to become visible to the others. As I said before, a clone who can't be seen by normal people would be pretty useless for someone like him.
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I reread the recent chapters and realized that Camilla's ability is proof that Hisoka's Nen which strengthened after death was not permanent. She uses that effect for her ability.
  1. She dies.
  2. The ability strengthens while she is dead and empowers the cat.
  3. She revives.
  4. It's over.
Unless you think Camilla gets stronger and stronger every time she dies. Which would be ridiculous.

On a different note, there is Hanzo who called is clone an ethereal body.
 

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I think strengthened means that a certain property will be attributed it; the desire to keep on living, or to accomplish something, if able to be done by your nen, could possibly take effect if the desire is strong enough. Either way, Camilla doesn't have to get stronger every time the same way Hisoka didn't get stronger; their Nen just allowed them to perform a feat even after they passed away
 

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I think strengthened means that a certain property will be attributed it; the desire to keep on living, or to accomplish something, if able to be done by your nen, could possibly take effect if the desire is strong enough. Either way, Camilla doesn't have to get stronger every time the same way Hisoka didn't get stronger; their Nen just allowed them to perform a feat even after they passed away
She didn't get stronger yes but I posted this because some readers think that Hisoka is now stronger because he came back to life. Camilla does use the fact that Nen strengthens after death to empower her cat in some way.
 

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Oh right, my bad

But with 'stronger' or 'strengthening' I think it means 'dramatically improve potency'. I guess death is the condition for the hatsu to be empowered
 

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She didn't get stronger yes but I posted this because some readers think that Hisoka is now stronger because he came back to life. Camilla does use the fact that Nen strengthens after death to empower her cat in some way.
He is stronger with Nen since his revival....He came back using his Hatsu in ways he presumably couldn't before, otherwise he wouldn't be so surprised/impressed that he was using it the way he did..his power up/more advance skill isn't gone..

Camilla's hatsu is centered around her dying and being revived..it's a strong counter-attack hatsu but it's mechanism doesn't apply to Nen becoming stronger in death... Because it takes her to die to even use the hatsu or activate it....

The explanation of the Nen beast Power's & another rendition of Nen training togashi is going back and filling in the details & enlarging The Nen power structure....All of our unanswered questions, theories, are being answered in this arc....Conjuration, Manipulation & Emission I'll say the most convoluted Nen powers are being fleshed out much more...With manipulation having compulsory or non-compulsory requirements, Conjuration is either a supernatural item or creation or simply a clone of something that already exist...Etc Etc

I hate that ppl in the community don't understand that it's ok for someone like Gon or an enhancer to use manipulation nen.....It's not like they don't know how to use manipulation nen, they just can't be a master at it.....But what they shouldn't do is create an Hastu solely based on Manipulation, that's when an enhancer will get screwed over.....However, because he creates an enhancement hatsu that requires a bit of manipulation doesn't mean that hatsu sucks......it just shouldn't solely focus around manipulation. So it's ok if a Nen user has Aspects of another nen class within his hasu he can't master...As long as his hatsu doesn't solely focus on that need of nen application.
 

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He is stronger with Nen since his revival....He came back using his Hatsu in ways he presumably couldn't before, otherwise he wouldn't be so surprised/impressed that he was using it the way he did..his power up/more advance skill isn't gone..

Camilla's hatsu is centered around her dying and being revived..it's a strong counter-attack hatsu but it's mechanism doesn't apply to Nen becoming stronger in death... Because it takes her to die to even use the hatsu or activate it....
He could not do before? He did this while he was alive, it's been explained how he used the properties of his Bungee Gum to make it work. He was surprised that his Nen activated after death. That's all.

Camilla's ability is empowered by her death, she says it herself.Since she is dead and her ability makes her Nen active in that state, it's stronger as long as she is not resurrected.

 

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He could not do before? He did this while he was alive, it's been explained how he used the properties of his Bungee Gum to make it work. He was surprised that his Nen activated after death. That's all.

Camilla's ability is empowered by her death, she says it herself.Since she is dead and her ability makes her Nen active in that state, it's stronger as long as she is not resurrected.

This is down to interpretation imo until Togashi really explains it... But personally I do think that Hisoka received some sort of boost to his Nen after his death. He immediately showed new techniques which would of benefitted him during the fight with Chrollo, and so leads me to believe he was only capable of these things after he revived himself. Such as the recreation of the hand and foot he lost. Using his Nen to ''wrap" Machi up like that was a far higher level of emission we have seen from Hisoka as of yet, normally when he uses an ability like that he has to maintain some sort of connection to the Aura like the thread on Gon's face, this opens up ALOT of new possibilities. The way he used the new foot as a spring was also new, and the way he took out Shalnark in one swift blow like that it almost seemed like he received an overall boost in strength.

It's not a new concept by any means, and I've always thought it's related to someone's will and desire to do or achieve something before they die. Both examples we had actually seen of this happening (Pitou and Hisoka) they had a major goal or desire they had to fulfill, Pitou in killing Gon to protect Meruem, and Hisoka's desire to defeat Chrollo and in a broader sense just strong self preservation, also a big difference in Hisoka's case is he actually specifically attempted to do it, which might be a reason for the strength increase.

Camilla seems to of based her whole Hatsu around this idea, made easier by the fact that she is a specialist. It's more then possible that the Cat becomes stronger each time it's used. I also wonder whether the Cat is restricted to attacking the person who killed Camilla, and what happens if the Cat's first attack fails, does it continue to stay around and attack the person who killed her until it can absorb them? Or can it use anyone nearby to ressurect her?

I have a theory that Chrollo also understands this concept alot more then he gave away during the fight with Hisoka, he didn't really explain how he came to know the elder from Meteor that he took Sun and Moon from.. Chrollo's ability requires him to either force the person to fulfill the requirements or he has to actually coerce the person into giving him the info he needs, meaning he would have to actually know this person fairly well, be close to them or at the very least have a conversation with them.
He also didn't tell us how this person died or why they died, or what his connection to them was. We know that for the most part, the abilities in the Bandits Secret are stolen either by tricking people or forcing them to give away, and that they dissapear from the book after the person's death, and we can assume that for all of these abilities Chrollo holds no attachment to the people that owned the abilities originally, like he would for someone like Shalnark for example, or Kortopi.. See where I'm going with this?
I think that if somebody WILLINGLY gives Chrollo their ability and then dies, he retains the ability after they die AND the ability becomes stronger. This is why Sun and Moon didn't dissapear from the book, and also why Togashi included the lines between Chrollo and Shalnark in which he offers to give him Black Voice back but Shalnark DECLINED. It was that particular scene that gave me this whole idea, why would Togashi include that if Shalnark were to die and the ability dissapear anyway? It would be a completely pointless line. This means that ANY member of the Phantom Troupe could give Chrollo their hatsu to use FOREVER before they die.
 
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