Nakaba revealed that she got that nickname from protecting her Goddess friends from the Demons.
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She doesn't have much background because it wasn't that revealed. As well, she lacks a grace because she is the ONE and ONLY true daughter to the Supreme Deity. Meaning in magic power, she was closer to her mothers stature than to Luco or the others.
How does her reason to fight quantify in her power assessment?! The level of Spirit can rise and decrease for various reasons, just like the other stats.
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Especially since Ludo and company kept acting like she'd lost her mind and was going against her nature when she kept supporting the more pacifist direction during the Ancient Holy War arc.
The problem is her personality, she doesn't have warrior like persona despite being strong.
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Her magic is said to be comparable or higher than the 4 Archangels yes.
Hmm, Jericho gives him a run for his money though...tough, a human challenging his skills.
How would she get a reputation and a nickname among the HW 1 demons from a slap she delivered 3000 years later and in such private quarters Chandler may have never learned she laid a hand on his bocchama?!? And why would that slap have to impress the Demon King at all by comparison with the skills she used during the Lake fight?!? The rest of us only see it as impressive because we know her intention was to merely distract him, not blow him away or even damage Arthur's home?! Damn, now I know why Arthur acts the way he does in MnY, they never paid for the tower, nor the rest of the city, nor...anything.
We're not discussing her personality in this thread, we're discussing her potential PL and ability..."useless", "damsel in distress" and or "weak" don't address any of these topic points. If you're not interested in using her feats to assess her PL and or ability, then this thread is not for you.
I was busy, and he never relented, he even brought his typical "complaints" of Ellie and her power build over to the movie thread and threatened to ruin my fun in reading and looking at Anne's evolution during the sequel, as if I didn't dread Nakaba deciding to use her dev as a daily nap pillow just like he did with Elizabeth, her mother, their clan, and I could go on, but it's getting off topic so I'll stop. Since I got a notif on debate continuing here, I thought I'd still give my 2 cents, I don't like owing people anything
and only in extreme cases do I manage to stay pending.
Yeah, by then, I completely lost interest with talking PLs because well, NNT went really bad.
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We all know her potential PL is great, what we all agree is that she is a wasted potential in NNT manga.
The way you usually phrase you comments on the topic rarely reflects this attitude, though. We still have a chance to see what new development she gets in the movie.
That was one year ago, I changed my stance since then. To be honest with you, I really don't care about it anymore.
Ludociel fighting the Indura or Sinner looks like the same level of strength though.
Where was this said? I'd like to know where it confirms the side chapter as filler, because it definitely seems like canon.
Yeah but the Sinner's magical power eats away at his body and basically destroys his durability in favour for more offensive power. So he's basically a glass cannon, who arguably already got weakened by Ludociel, Escanor and Merlin before Mael one-shots him.
People do conveniently forget that Elizabeth did fight against the two Gods at once. Anything those two do together, even half-assed, would be stronger than any of Mael's attacks and as we know, she survived at least one attack, maybe more from them.
There is no evidence of that.
Hidden power or not, through out the Entire fight he just used his regular ark attacks and nit his heavy hitting grace attacks like gold flash, sparking king drive, lightening spree or such. Which generally means he never went all out
But it was still drawn and written by Nakaba... it's not like he said himself it isn't canon. A film being non-canon is understandable, but side chapters are still canon lol
You know, when mommy and daddy got very angry and tag-teamed to murder and curse their kids?
I think Noon Mael is the exception to everything, but it doesn't help when you have Mael saying Elizabeth is the better warrior, and then the author saying she's stronger than all the archangels lol
I mean that's clearly an outlier. Elizabeth can tank hits from both the SD/DK but can't take a single punch from base Derieri? Bruh, clearly a plot hole.
That was his statement and it's the way it contradicts everything else in the scene that makes people like me and Otaku think it's a completely made up excuse; in the same scene he also claimed he wanted to kill the Indura/TC (so he had no reason to hold back, that was even the whole purpose of using the hostages as bait, to get the TC on their playing field and kill them for the sake of "GC glory"
)The movie may be semi-canon, but that omake chapter would be the only event explaining the specific memory the Goats flipped around about Mael all wounded(it was Estarossa in the altered memory) looking for Elizabeth and finding her on a date with Mel in the forest clearing...it was "adult" Mael who found them, not the pre-Grace embarrassing kiddie.
And why would that be relevant in assessing the effects of a GC ability/power against another Goddess, whose complete range of skills and abilities we don't know yet? Especially when Sinner was already nerfing himself out on all HP related stats for the sake of ATK?
Everything's possible, the only actual goddess attack we've seen launched at and affecting her was her mother's...or was it the DK's?
What makes you think she would be removed from having her own similar skills to that but better, since they're her own? Unlike Mael, she's related to the SD, just like Mel and Zel to the DK and Gloxinia, Dalia and Harlequin to the Sacred Tree. Nakaba made use of heredity to single Mel and King out as power players, he's made no attempt other than randomly benching Elizabeth to make her less of a power player or inheritor. Unlike Mael, she doesn't need to rely on a borrowed ability's clock to use her arsenal, she doesn't need a borrowed ability period. What she needs is for Nakaba to realise people like to see girls using their power just as much as they do guys. When she went up against AM Meliodas and taught him a thing or two about pain was with her own ability and skill, nothing lent out or gifted by mommy dearest, something many like to point out when discussing Graces, but also love to ignore when discussing power dynamics between Meliodas, Elizabeth and at least Mael and Ludo. We also know Nakaba made sure Meliodas himself wasn't/couldn't use the decree on her(the ability, at the very least) lent out by daddy dearest.
And that proves that he either suffered from Nakaba's later on extreme upgrades for the sake of keeping him in the story, just like Nakaba ping-pong-ed Sunshine between Mael and Escanor, or that Ludo's dumb as a rock(and that's hugely detrimental to feats and power assessment)...but that's almost 90% certain, or that he needs serious therapy(again, something almost certain), since he kept claiming that he wanted to kill the Indura...but he wasn't really trying to, even as they were humiliating him(excuse me, what?!?)...so he wanted to kill them, but not really...at the end of the day, he used lame skills and was fodderised, he didn't even have Elizabeth's excuse of still trying to upkeep a diplomatic exchange with Derrieri, and who was also shocked by the AAs' gesture(the massacre)...so if everyone remembers how Meliodas was taken by surprise by Merlin when he was going bonkers during the framing(knocked out and even nerfed too, that still doesn't make Merlin physically more powerful than him, likely not even magically), you should fairly apply the same logic to the Elizabeth and Derrieri situation. In fact, Merlin, Elizabeth and Derrieri are seen as characters who can amp their own stats, in various ways...enchantments, combos or concentration of essential power(Ark) into physical parts materialised out of it.
As I've said before, the movie omake's plot would actually fill in the blanks to the memory the Gowthers altered about the beaten up Mael/Estarossa finding Meliodas and Elizabeth together after Mel's/actually Ludo's claim that "he would put in a good word".
I'm pretty sure that was already negated by the life-sacrificing skill. The Sinner was nerfing himself first, on all accounts save for ATK
That's what he said...what he did and how he did it, though...
