Discussion One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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[Rein Avara]

Yeah think he called it something like Tempura Udon???

Whatever it was, it was King's fastest attack. But Zoro did still manage to dodge it so I think it's still easier than G4 Snakeman attack. I do think it might be faster than Snakeman but we also have to account for Snakeman attacks being like homing missiles that redirect. Much easier to dodge super fast straight attack vs slightly slower moving attack.

I think for snakeman attacks especially any Black Mamba variant you need future sight to dodge it otherwise it's pretty impossible to not get hit.

 

[DeadlyBeast]

I think for snakeman attacks especially any Black Mamba variant you need future sight to dodge it otherwise it's pretty impossible to not get hit.

Yeah I'm guessing only someone like Kizaru could use raw speed to counter it. Otherwise FS is required but does beg the question if the FS will have to surpass Luffy's to be effective? Otherwise you'd think even with FS you can't dodge those attacks. Snakeman really is pretty overpowered.

 

[Rein Avara]

Yeah I'm guessing only someone like Kizaru could use raw speed to counter it. Otherwise FS is required but does beg the question if the FS will have to surpass Luffy's to be effective? Otherwise you'd think even with FS you can't dodge those attacks. Snakeman really is pretty overpowered.

In Kat's case it was FS and raw speed. that boy was moving

 

[Fox666]

Like I said. Snakeman g4 is drastically faster than regular g4. They aren't comparable

Snakesman attacks are faster because Luffy's arms are continuously gaining acceleration. But Snakesman as a whole don't seem to be faster than Boundman. With future sight, Katakuri managed to outmaneuver both of them.

Point being, the first time Luffy fought Kaido, Kaido couldn't even feels his attacks, and it wouldn't make a difference if he used Boundman or Snakesman during that moment.

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How fast do you think king is? Do you think katakuri could simply keep king at bay? The most likely scenario is that king's attack mode has speed as high or higher than luffy's G4... less than that and his speed is not really significant. Let alone that we saw how the fight between luffy and katakuri played out, katakuri doesn't make any point of keeping things at mid range or longer. Katakuri is ultimately a close range brawler with supplemental long range skills.

I will use Whole Cake arc Luffy as a comparison, since he got much stronger and faster against Kaido

Katakuri relies on future sight, and he's always moving a few seconds ahead. Otherwise, when Katakuri wasn't using future sight, he couldn't keep track of Luffy's movements in Gear 4. So it seems Katakuri is nowhere as fast as Gear 4

King is faster in his "turbo" mode, but Luffy in Gear 4 "teleports" next to his target, which tells me Gear 4 is also much faster than King

So Gear 4 is much faster than both King and Katakuri, so now I have to compare both of them

King can fly at a high speed in his "turbo" mode, but that's exclusive to his flying speed. The rest of his body is not particularly fast, since Zoro had no trouble blocking his sword attacks

So I think Katakuri is a lot "faster" if you include his future sight. It should be relatively easy for Katakuri to dodge King "turbo" speed, since he's simply moving in a straight live against his target, and is not a barrage of multi-directional attacks like Snakesman. But King wouldn't be able to dodge Katakuri's own barrage of attacks at close combat

 

[kkck]

I am not sure that king can fly in turbo mode. Iirc he couldn't fly in his lunarian form. Were his flame a thing in dinosaur mode?

 

[HereNThere]

I am not sure that king can fly in turbo mode. Iirc he couldn't fly in his lunarian form. Were his flame a thing in dinosaur mode?

Zoro implied that King's Lunarian wings were mostly for show and not for flight and that seems to hold up with both King and the Seraphim so far. Plus, the Lunarians seem to be similar to Birkins and Shandians, who also just had aesthetic wings.

King blocked Zoro's Tatsumaki in his Pteradactyl form with his flames on.

 

[DeadlyBeast]

In Kat's case it was FS and raw speed. that boy was moving

That episode where he was dodging black mamba was pretty insane. He was not only fast, he was a god of gymnasts with how he contorted his body.

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Zoro implied that King's Lunarian wings were mostly for show and not for flight and that seems to hold up with both King and the Seraphim so far. Plus, the Lunarians seem to be similar to Birkins and Shandians, who also just had aesthetic wings.

King blocked Zoro's Tatsumaki in his Pteradactyl form with his flames on.

Flightless angels that lived high on up in the sky. It does sound like the Skypeans who also couldn't fly with their wings. Although King unlike all of them had wings that were proportional to his body. Feels like a waste if those wings don't actually do anything.

 

[XXGenesis]

The exact Translation is “His Wings Move so I know they are not ornamental; But I can’t be sure if he uses them to fly”

In the anime they are shown flapping with him flying.
In the Manga closes thing he does to flying is when he disappears mid-air to kick Zoro & Zoro counters with Bird Dance.

King does majority of his flying in his Zoan form. Yes he can fly in Turbo mode…

 

[Rein Avara]

That episode where he was dodging black mamba was pretty insane. He was not only fast, he was a god of gymnasts with how he contorted his body.

Then he hit that boy with the footwhip, beautiful work on his part honestly.

 

[Fox666]

The exact Translation is “His Wings Move so I know they are not ornamental; But I can’t be sure if he uses them to fly”

In the anime they are shown flapping with him flying.
In the Manga closes thing he does to flying is when he disappears mid-air to kick Zoro & Zoro counters with Bird Dance.

King does majority of his flying in his Zoan form. Yes he can fly in Turbo mode…

King does fly without his Devil Fruit:

 

[XXGenesis]

King does fly without his Devil Fruit:

I didn’t doubt that he can or did. I just wanted to be sure.

The Agenda/Debate/Perspective around Katakuri…Snakeman/Black Mamba, ACoO & speed is rising again…We know where this is going…As Someone already brought up King

Given that I’m not a biased I did my due diligence to make sure King does/can fly outside of his Zoan form.

The Anime scene I was talking about is your 1st scan….Your 2nd scan I wouldn’t consider that flying, more like he jumped at Marco…..King flies around predominantly in Zoan form. Even for his last attack he hops off a rock, flies away in Zoan form to go back into human form…So yes Lunarians can fly, King’s best flying feat in base is when he disappears midair to kick Zoro.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Can someone fill me in?

Why is King's ability to fly outside of his Zoan form important?

 

[DeadlyBeast]

Can someone fill me in?

Why is King's ability to fly outside of his Zoan form important?

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On separate note anime G5 Luffy v Lucci was pretty solid and definitely shows a decent gap between them in their fight. The next new episode will solidify it.

 

[DeadlyBeast]

Even the zoro boys claim gear 5 luffy use adcoc against base lucci

G5 >> EVERYONE. LUFFY IS THE CURRENT STRONGEST CREATURE. NUFF SAID.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Fuck do I feel bad for the people that don't find G5 animation amazing because gawd damn Toei

 

[zetsu banned]

Fuck do I feel bad for the people that don't find G5 animation amazing because gawd damn Toei

It's only gotten better. I had real problems with some of the G5 scenes in Wano being hectic to the point of unreadable (the boro blast reflection comes to mind), but they've seem to have found a really good balance in Egghead.

 

[Rein Avara]

I honestly don't know how you beat G5 if Oda doesn't apply time limit nonsense

 

[DeadlyBeast]

I do think the Egghead animation is more streamlined with G5. They aren't adding as many flashing lights and other distractions that obstruct things. Hopefully they stick to this since formula for the rest of this fight and use it for the Kizaru fight too. I'd hate for old habits to return as they get into the more serious fights in Egghead.

 

[kkck]

I honestly don't know how you beat G5 if Oda doesn't apply time limit nonsense

You punch him really really hard.

 

[Rein Avara]

You punch him really really hard.

Idk how much harder you can hit someone if Kaido is our benchmark, that boy was tanking all sorts of baguas.