Discussion Serena (Alchemy) vs. Mirajane

[Ratrace]

Considering that it takes a few hours rest to recover one’s magic, she should have most of her magic back

Sorry added meant in just her human form

 

[WoWfan]

Sorry added meant in just her human form

Hard to say with her recovered, but she is tanky against large area of damage kind of attacks and slashing, she even managed to push back Azuma in human form and is low on power at that state

 

[Ratrace]

Hard to say with her recovered, but she is tanky against large area of damage kind of attacks and slashing, she even managed to push back Azuma in human form and is low on power at that state

I don’t remember the part with Azuma (just encase I’m not talking about the whole fight)

 

[WoWfan]

I don’t remember the part with Azuma (just encase I’m not talking about the whole fight)

That was an anime addition

 

[Ratrace]

That was an anime addition

Okay

 

[Axiomus]

Mirajane *is* Spriggan level. But that's only because some Spriggans, like Jacob and Neinhart, have trash stats. Being Spriggan level is nothing special. God Serena obviously is obviously stronger than them in physical combat.

Sorry added meant in just her human form

If we're talking about actual stats, Mirajane without a takeover is far below ISD Gajeel. That's really all we need to scale this fight. God Serena has better durability than ISD Gajeel with diamond dragon.

How much magic does she have in that form

As much magic power as she does in any of her takeovers. MP levels dont change when using a takeover. What happened with Jacob is that Mirajane was too exhausted to use a takeover, and once she recovered enough power to use satan soul, she oneshotted him. This speaks more to Jacob being trash than anything else.

 

[Ratrace]

As much magic power as she does in any of her takeovers. MP levels dont change when using a takeover. What happened with Jacob is that Mirajane was too exhausted to use a takeover, and once she recovered enough power to use satan soul, she oneshotted him. This speaks more to Jacob being trash than anything else.

I was most asking about her human form because like you said that’s what she was shown using for most of the fight

 

[WoWfan]

Ax, Again, Magic power = stats as you have to be physically strong enough to hold said MP or you have negative affects on you. Brandish grew and shrank an island and she directly compared the other Spriggans to that. The only way it doesn’t is if the magic spills out from you, you go through some transformation or it is a separate power source.

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I was most asking about her human form because like you said that’s what she was shown using for most of the fight

She still had relative magic power to be able to fight as it takes a few hours to recover from near complete magic loss.

 

[Axiomus]

No, you dont. Natsu was fine holding Igneel's magic for 10 months before he learned how to use it. I guarantee you that Natsu did not have Igneel's stats for those 10 months.

 

[WoWfan]

He did not use it all that time and once using it is gone, which means it is a separate power set. These kind of powers are like loans. Plus overdoing it can develop cancer, so your body has a natural limit.

 

[Ratrace]

Ax, Again, Magic power = stats as you have to be physically strong enough to hold said MP or you have negative affects on you. Brandish grew and shrank an island and she directly compared the other Spriggans to that. The only way it doesn’t is if the magic spills out from you, you go through some transformation or it is a separate power source.

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I would argue Stamina just as important or even more important than physical strength still that doesn’t teach you how to fight

 

[WoWfan]

I would argue Stamina just as important or even more important than physical strength still that doesn’t teach you how to fight

Sure, but with recent chapters showed that stamina is tied to Magic Power as well.

 

[Axiomus]

He did not use it all that time and once using it is gone, which means it is a separate power set. These kind of powers are like loans. Plus overdoing it can develop cancer, so your body has a natural limit.

It's still in his body. Even when Natsu was used it, he still didn't gain Igneel's level of physical strength. Developing an anti-ethernano tumor is just a theory that Porlyusica had because she didn't know what to make of the demon seed. It's never actually happened for anyone.

The bottom line is that MP doesn't equal stats. It never has. The mere fact that Natsu, Gajeel, and Gray all have different stats on the GMG card is proof of this. How can Natsu have more attack power but less defense than Gray if MP equals stats? Cana at one point had more MP than anyone in the GMG. I guarantee you she was not more durable than Jura.

 

[Ratrace]

Sure, but with recent chapters showed that stamina is tied to Magic Power as well.

True but like I said that doesn’t mean you’re going to be good in combat

 

[WoWfan]

True but like I said that doesn’t mean you’re going to be good in combat

Sure, but what type like is a factor too.

 

[Ratrace]

It's still in his body. Even when Natsu was used it, he still didn't gain Igneel's level of physical strength. Developing an anti-ethernano tumor is just a theory that Porlyusica had because she didn't know what to make of the demon seed. It's never actually happened for anyone.

The bottom line is that MP doesn't equal stats. It never has. The mere fact that Natsu, Gajeel, and Gray all have different stats on the GMG card is proof of this. How can Natsu have more attack power but less defense than Gray if MP equals stats? Cana at one point had more MP than anyone in the GMG. I guarantee you she was not more durable than Jura.

Pretty much depends on the type of magic someone uses

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Sure, but what type like is a factor too.

mostly something someone needs to learn/experience

 

[Cosmicstar]

Ax, Again, Magic power = stats as you have to be physically strong enough to hold said MP or you have negative affects on you. Brandish grew and shrank an island and she directly compared the other Spriggans to that. The only way it doesn’t is if the magic spills out from you, you go through some transformation or it is a separate power source.

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She still had relative magic power to be able to fight as it takes a few hours to recover from near complete magic loss.

Not true. Layla had a huge amount of magic but was born with a fragile body. It was also explained within the Duke Everlue arc that mages tend to have weak bodies regardless of thier magic. They even give an example of a mage that can crush bones but could easily be taken out by a punch.

Magical power doesn't equal physical strength. Certain mages like Natsu, Erza, Laxus, Etc. are physically strong because they train their physical body as shown with Natsu during the little training arc when they returned.

 

[WoWfan]

Not true. Layla had a huge amount of magic but was born with a fragile body. It was also explained within the Duke Everlue arc that mages tend to have weak bodies regardless of thier magic. They even give an example of a mage that can crush bones but could easily be taken out by a punch.

Magical power doesn't equal physical strength. Certain mages like Natsu, Erza, Laxus, Etc. are physically strong because they train their physical body as shown with Natsu during the little training arc when they returned.

That arc did not say anything about the wizards with weak bodies having larger than normal magic, plus that wizard was old at that point, don’t know where that bit about having great magic with Layla is but it tells she never overextended her self with her magic meaning that her magic was tolerable, that proves weak condition makes you less likely to use magic too as it’s tied to physical condition, and that was due to giving up her life force for the Eclipse Gate. It is simple that that wizard was weak. Incorrect as Ultear at birth had larger than normal amount of magic and it overwhelmed her. And that overusing one‘s magic overtime taxes one’s body and developes cancer. And yet any wizards could survive inhuman levels of damage like Lucy or Wendy despite being appearance wise physically frail, ect., even Azuma who had the power of FT was eventually killed by overtaxing it too. And even a small imp without using any magic hit the MPF with just a shoulder charge and still projected magic, it shows that magic is in physical attacks too Without using magic. Even during the training with Lucy, it is physical as well as she gathers magic into her body through her skin, into her nervous system to form a vessel

 

[Ratrace]

That arc did not say anything about the wizards with weak bodies having larger than normal magic, plus that wizard was old at that point, don’t know where that bit about having great magic with Layla is but it tells she never overextended her self with her magic meaning that her magic was tolerable, that proves weak condition makes you less likely to use magic too as it’s tied to physical condition, and that was due to giving up her life force for the Eclipse Gate. It is simple that that wizard was weak. Incorrect as Ultear at birth had larger than normal amount of magic and it overwhelmed her. And that overusing one‘s magic overtime taxes one’s body and developes cancer. And yet any wizards could survive inhuman levels of damage like Lucy or Wendy despite being appearance wise physically frail, ect., even Azuma who had the power of FT was eventually killed by overtaxing it too. And even a small imp without using any magic hit the MPF with just a shoulder charge and still projected magic, it shows that magic is in physical attacks too Without using magic. Even during the training with Lucy, it is physical as well as she gathers magic into her body through her skin, into her nervous system to form a vessel

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on this page and the next it does talk about some mages being weak because they don’t train their physical body

 

[WoWfan]

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on this page and the next it does talk about some mages being weak because they don’t train their physical body

Sure, but it doesn’t mention said wizards having massive magic power. It also mentioned that wizards spent years on a curse, and he was an old man by then.

I am referring to how too Magic magic power can harm a user’s body if they are not capable of handling it.

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Also to add, even magic helps improve physically without extensive physical training as it improves the nervous system. It also supports the body's posture and even strengthens it to survive the pressures of day-to-day life and enjoy a higher quality of life overall.