Fantasy Suzaku vs Igneel

[Goku solos]

Yeah cuz acnologia stole his soul. When acnologia couldn't steal his soul half dead igneel was matching him and even beating his ass. Acnologia deadass lost an arm in that fight

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FH zeref didn't even want to fight acnologia and he lost to natsu who got speed blitz and one shot by suzaku.

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Still doesn't change the fact that suzaku couldn't put natsu down with his strongest on panel move

These are just assumptions.
if Igneel was that far stronger than Acnologia nothing should to stop him from slam Acnologia badly before he could to do anything.
(unless he was catched off guard)
but anyway i'm not trying to back up that there is no such a thing as prime Igneel, i just expained why i reffered to Tartaros Igneel only.


i'm not saying that FH Zeref was stronger, but he does was stated to be able to match Acnologia.
also, even Acnologia himself was impressed that all Natsu lost by fighting someone like Zeref was a one arm.
not really the same, FOE/SF is above any version of Natsu except imo Ignia flames and 100 yq DF.


Still abyss is above Natsu's AP, so all he can is to keep blocking his attacks till he won't be able to stand anymore.
Suzaku speed is by far superior to Natsu and he also can tank attacks from Ignia and Dogramag that are above DF Natsu.
Natsu can't match his FP, Suzaku is faster, and Natsu doesn't have the power to take him down.
So he can't do more than blocking his attacks lol.
Suzaku still was winning in canon tho.

 

[Darklord#10]

Now compare this to what Erza went through before fighting Eileen, Natsu before fighting Zeref etc.

Any argument used here to downplay Suzaku is far more valid in their case. So if you're consistent/honest and not a hypocrite (unlike WoWfan), you would keep the same energy for Eileen and Zeref as well. Instead of picking and choosing to fit agendas.

Really tho, the nerf can pretty much never considered as a valid excuse if we're being intellectually honest, because in all fights the good guys have gone through stuff before and end up not mattering because Mashima's logic is bricks. Only exceptions are when Mashima outright says prior exhaustion as the reason for their performance - some examples being Natsu vs Gajeel in phantom Lord, Erza vs Neinhart.
You can maybe bring up exhaustion as a valid point in a high or extreme diff fight, because then the exhaustion might be the difference maker. Not when the gap is so high that you get blitzed and one shot.

bruh this is you when spriggan fans try to discuss with you this days lowkey

 

[WoWfan]

^ At least they know how to call you out on your debatable opinions.

 

[Ratrace]

Now compare this to what Erza went through before fighting Eileen, Natsu before fighting Zeref etc.

Any argument used here to downplay Suzaku is far more valid in their case. So if you're consistent/honest and not a hypocrite (unlike WoWfan), you would keep the same energy for Eileen and Zeref as well. Instead of picking and choosing to fit agendas.

like I said she had help and besides the armor she didn’t use any spell (at least none that I saw)

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Really tho, the nerf can pretty much never considered as a valid excuse if we're being intellectually honest, because in all fights the good guys have gone through stuff before and end up not mattering because Mashima's logic is bricks. Only exceptions are when Mashima outright says prior exhaustion as the reason for their performance - some examples being Natsu vs Gajeel in phantom Lord, Erza vs Neinhart.
You can maybe bring up exhaustion as a valid point in a high or extreme diff fight, because then the exhaustion might be the difference maker. Not when the gap is so high that you get blitzed and one shot.

That is true Characters are rarely exhausted even they fought a couple of battles. ( maybe Wendy was healing them lol)

 

[sharkai]

That is true Characters are rarely exhausted even they fought a couple of battles. ( maybe Wendy was healing them lol)

It's merely individuals attempting to assert a point, regardless of its factual accuracy. We need not delve into the aspect of exhaustion.

Typically, in Hiro Mashima's storytelling, a character has one significant battle for the 'good guys' within a narrative arc. If a character engages in a major fight, their subsequent performance tends to be less noteworthy. For instance, consider Laxus: after defeating Wahl and a Historia, he remained inactive while Makarov was making a sacrifice. The rationale is straightforward, echoing instances like Erza vs. Suzaku or battles involving Lucy, Gray, or Erza against Hades. These characters had their defining moment, and Mashima seldom provides them with another. Natsu is the primary exception, and occasionally, other characters such as Gray in the Tartarus arc or Erza in the Alvarez arc.

 

[WoWfan]

like I said she had help and besides the armor she didn’t use any spell (at least none that I saw)

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That is true Characters are rarely exhausted even they fought a couple of battles. ( maybe Wendy was healing them lol)

That is true, plus not only can Wendy heal wounds, but also help recover stamina.

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Plus since MP is tied to stamina as well, Wendy is possibly helping them recover their MP too.

 

[Ratrace]

That is true, plus not only can Wendy heal wounds, but also help recover stamina.

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Plus since MP is tied to stamina as well, Wendy is possibly helping them recover their MP too.

One of the problems is Wendy can’t be everywhere at once. Also did Hiro ever have her use that ability off screen?

 

[Vex_Haid]

Spoiler

read properly lol. stop talking bullshit. get suzaku above natsu and dogramag before putting hm against igneel. also mashima recently said prime igneel is relative to acno in strength. half dead igneel was beating acno's ass even with slayer advantage and magic advantage acno lost an arm

Fr? Can you send the interview?

 

[Darklord#10]

Fr? Can you send the interview?

I'll ask some people on cord

 

[WoWfan]

One of the problems is Wendy can’t be everywhere at once. Also did Hiro ever have her use that ability off screen?

Sure, though considering most of her patients appear to be lacking fatigue it would appear so. Though some times it could be longer if the damage is too intense.

 

[Ratrace]

Sure, though considering most of her patients appear to be lacking fatigue it would appear so. Though some times it could be longer if the damage is too intense.

She either healed them, they have enough time to rest or not, problem we will never know

 

[WoWfan]

Enough time has passed, Igneel oneshots Suzaku.

She either healed them, they have enough time to rest or not, problem we will never know

Actually, MP can help one recover stamina too, example Brain Zero, he was unconscious from excessive damage, when Zero was released, his magic power instantly woke his body, his damage remained but his stamina overcame it.

 

[Ratrace]

Enough time has passed, Igneel oneshots Suzaku.



Actually, MP can help one recover stamina too, example Brain Zero, he was unconscious from excessive damage, when Zero was released, his magic power instantly woke his body, his damage remained but his stamina overcame it.

it seems like mages need a lot of stamina to use large amount of magic, now can MP recover things like stamina or does it depends on the type of magic someone has

 

[WoWfan]

it seems like mages need a lot of stamina to use large amount of magic, now can MP recover things like stamina or does it depends on the type of magic someone has

Through training they can just use their nerves and focus to use less magic power. In a weaker state they would use up more magic power. Magic power is a connection between nature energy and one’s inner energy so that would explain it.

 

[Ratrace]

In a weaker state they would use up more magic power.

Don’t think they would be using more just that their body would be more affected by it

 

[WoWfan]

Don’t think they would be using more just that their body would be more affected by it

I mean for those under the affects of Devolution where they are in a kid like state and need to use more magic for a spell.

 

[Ratrace]

I mean for those under the affects of Devolution where they are in a kid like state and need to use more magic for a spell.

Are they using more magic? When you look back during the Tartarus arc when they turn back into kids it didn’t seem like they were using more magic just that their magic wasn’t as strong

 

[WoWfan]

Are they using more magic? When you look back during the Tartarus arc when they turn back into kids it didn’t seem like they were using more magic just that their magic wasn’t as strong

Here is the image

 

[Ratrace]

Here is the image

Fairy Tail - Ch.346 - Share Any Manga on MangaPark

Fairy Tail, FAIRY TAIL, Shounen Magazine, Hiro Mashima, 真島 ヒロ, action, adventure, comedy, ecchi, fantasy, magic, shounen, manga. In the mystical realm of Earth Land, magic exists at the core of everyday life for its inhabitants, from transportation to utilities and everything in between...

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this website has her says something different because it says they consume magic faster not use more MP

 

[WoWfan]

Fairy Tail - Ch.346 - Share Any Manga on MangaPark

Fairy Tail, FAIRY TAIL, Shounen Magazine, Hiro Mashima, 真島 ヒロ, action, adventure, comedy, ecchi, fantasy, magic, shounen, manga. In the mystical realm of Earth Land, magic exists at the core of everyday life for its inhabitants, from transportation to utilities and everything in between...

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this website has her says something different because it says they consume magic faster not use more MP

The image above that is the official translations, from the volume itself.