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"Unfair treatment" of characters and sidelining some for a time to give others time in the spotlight is completely normal. Percival and Lancelot enjoyed the perks of that in the first act of the sequel, hence why Tristan and Gawain are currently lagging behind so much in terms of development. You're a powerscaling guy so you might not pay much attention to this side of things, but Tristan and Gawain don't even have strong personal reasons for opposing Arthur so far, which contributes to making them the least interesting members of the KotA at the moment. Percival has his grandpa's death and his goal of defeating Ironside, while Lancelot has Jericho and Guinevere to worry about. Gawain has some potential in the form of her mysterious origins that haven't really gone anywhere yet, but Tristan's motive as at best something generic like 'protect Liones and Meliodas' that is shared by every other Liones holy knight.That is not the situation
You are literally suggesting unfair treatment of a character and suggesting that their growth be stunted and thrown behind the screen for the sake of highlighting others.
I don't really need to be a big fan of anyone to say that your idea it's a bad idea
Part of the reason for this situation is because Percival has been getting character focus from the very beginning and Lancelot ever since he joined Percy as Sin in chapter 5, while the other two debuted in chapter 50-something. Percy and Lance have a 50 chapter or about a 1 year lead. It is only fair for Tristan and Gawain to get their share now, even if it means the other two will need to take a backseat for a while. Your words here remind me of a kid complaining that he has to let his sister ride the bicycle for the next 30 minutes after he just rode it for the last 30 minutes. Calling that unfair treatment just means you have a very strong bias towards one side.
I'm not assuming anything. We know that he was depressed for a time, I'm simply bringing up the possibility of that he still hasn't gotten over it. A teenager going through emotional turmoil is nothing unusual and neither is fictional characters having low points in their journey.I am not one of those who make preconceived judgments
It is you who assumes that Lancelot's grief over the death of his companion means that he will become depressed and shut himself up for two years without doing anything.
It's not the first time someone has been saddened by someone's death, but now you're trying to turn it into depression and psychological destruction.
What question do you feel I haven't answered? I explained why I went by the big fight scenes rather than the number of chapters in that section you're quoting. I also never said that it's necessary for the KotA to end up on similar levels right now, only that I expect Tristan and Gawain to make good progress towards it because of reasons such as Percival already having been moved aside and Lancelot potentially facing a similar situation due to his depression, Nakaba's treatment of the previous team powerhouse to prevent him from getting stale, the opportunity for organic power growth during the timeskip and the similar power shift that happened in the 2nd act of NnT.You still don't answer my question or topic
Only 50/60 chapters have passed since all the 4koa appeared and we learned about some of their powers, so I don't see why you're so attached to the idea of making them identical now, even at the expense of diminishing and weakening some of them.
The story is still continuing as all 4KOA can evolve and we may have another time skip, so make them all at similar levels now it is not necessary.
We know that the Sins were around the same level during the first act(which, in case you're confused refers to everything up to Hendrickson's defeat) because Nakaba introduced numerical power levels to directly show that. Meliodas was at 3370, Diane at 3250, Ban at 3220, King at 4190 and Gowther at 3100. Nakaba even gave us a scale of sorts by revealing that normal knights had their PL at roughly 100, above average holy knights like the Pleiades at around 1000-2000, the Albion at 5500 and Galand at 27k. The Sins being within about 1k of one another is consistent with how they performed in the first act. Are you really going to argue that the gap between them was as small as that by the end of the series? Meliodas punching Ban around is meaningless given that Ban's whole shtick was getting killed all the time and regenerating due to his immortality. Meanwhile Diane's Mother Catastrophe was the single most destructive attack we saw from any of the Sins for a long time. I don't understand why you're talking about copying the growth rate of the Sins. If the KotA were copying what happened with the Sins, the power gaps would be getting bigger rather than smaller in the 2nd act, just like what happened with Mel's tenfold boost and Escanor's introduction.When were they at the same level since the beginning of the story?
Meliodas at the Hunting Festival, as soon as he used his demon powers, he threw Ban for miles after that
Diane was clearly weaker and less powerful than all the Sins
Escanor and Meliodas are much stronger than the rest befor chapter 250+ (We see that the rest of the Sins are watching Escanor and Meliodas fight without moving and saying that they cannot do anything)
King tells Ban before purgatory that there is no point in helping him because Pan was much weaker then
And etc....
There is no equality between all the sins at all until after purgatory near the end of the story, and even there they are still sins stronger than others.
However, unlike you, I do not think it is necessary to copy the growth rate of sins on the 4koa
It is the story of 4koa, and although it was a sequel og 7ds, it is not intended to be caoy it.
So stop with the "sins were like this (even if they weren't) argument, so the 4koa should be too." argument.
Exactly, so let's not pretend like the first 100 chapters didn't happen. The Sins were at the same level for that part of the story and we only started seeing the kind of gaps that exist between Lancelot and the other KotA in the second act.Because it didn't start there, it started in Chapter 1
Just because all the Sins weren't together before Escanor showed up doesn't mean it wasn't a story at that time.
I tell you what my position is and you reject that as "embellishing my words" so that you can instead put words in my mouth. You do realize that's a dishonest way of arguing, right? To reiterate, I think that the current situation gives Nakaba an opportunity to bench Lancelot for a while so that the other KotA can start catching up to him in terms of strength. I've explained how Nakaba faced a similar situation with another overpowered character in NnT and how he resolved it, and also how all of this would help give Tristan and Gawain the focus they're sorely lacking right now. Lancelot being a teenager is irrelevant because we're not talking about real people here. King was a teenage fairy for centuries without much growth while Escanor only discovered how to push Sunshine further when he was in his 40s. You say that if Nakaba had wanted to stop Lancelot's growth he wouldn't have made Lance so strong to begin with, but surely you understand that strong characters don't have as much room for growth? The Percival that fought Mortlach was easily dozens if not hundreds of times stronger than the Percival in chapter 1, because his starting point was so low. Lancelot started way higher up and as a result hasn't noticeably improved at all, his only buff being a new weapon rather than in increase in his own strength. This is also why Escanor's strength stayed the same for almost the entire series, as he basically started out at the top so there was nowhere for him to go.You say that Lancelot should be throwed behind the screen and his growth stopped for the sake of others after what happened with Escanor, but you are basing your assumptions on your own personal fallacies.
Lancelot is a young teenager who is still growing and has great potential for development and if Nakaba-sensei had wanted to stop his growth, he would not have made him that strong in the first place.
On the other hand, Escanor growth was not stopped for the sake of others Sins, but because he was an adult man who had already reached his Prime and the peak of his strength, and there was no room left for him to develop .
As you can see, they are two completely different things and situations
I'm confused how you can say that there's a contradiction in my statement while quoting the part where I make my position very clear. To quote myself:I'm not admitting anything, I'm just going along with what you say
You said that it shouldn stop Lancelot grow now to not kills tension (even when Lancelot's power does not kill tension, but rather it balances the forces between the two sides), but you believe that the rest of the KOA should reach his level now, which contradicts your statement.
Also, you yourself say that power creep is what affected Escanor's power, but in 4koa there is no power creep between the enemies, and Arthur/choas has been there from the beginning.
How can you possibly take that to mean that I want all of the KotA to be overpowered and stomping their enemies? Both the good guys and the bad guys are obviously going to experience powercreep over the course of the story, what I want is for the two sides to have tough fights without one person casually carrying the entire team, hence why some kind of an equalization makes sense. Claiming that Lancelot's power is balancing the two sides is backwards, it's actually Lancelot's imbalanced power that forces Nakaba to come up with ways to keep him busy. He would have soloed the Chaos TC if Jericho didn't catch his attention, he would have saved Jade if the demons weren't distracting him(which is why Jade didn't die in the prophecy) and he would have soloed Mortlach's team and prevented Percival from dying if Nanashi hadn't been placed there to stall him. Nakaba constantly has to write around Lancelot to prevent him from solving every problem by himself. That is not a good situation.The way Nakaba tackled this issue in NnT is that he kept the OP Escanor from receiving any further power-ups long enough for the likes of Mel, Ban and King to reach his level and for the enemies to simultaneously powercreep to the point that Escanor was no longer capable of just stomping them. A similar development is what I expect to happen in the sequel as well.
I don't see how me explaining my point of view suggests that I think everyone thinks the same way I do. If that were the case I wouldn't need to elaborate or argue with you at all since we'd already be in agreement. As for Lancelot's power being a hindrance, that is very obviously the case given how Nakaba keeps having to come up with ways to prevent Lancelot from soloing every fight like I mentioned above. The same was true in Escanor's case, but Nakaba still opted to go for it despite the problems because there are advantages to it as well, such as Escanor/Lancelot acting as an example of what we can expect to see from the other characters eventually. There was nothing wrong with the other Sins eventually matching or even surpassing Escanor's power, and likewise there is nothing wrong the other KotA doing the same to Lancelot. The reason why you're so opposed to this is because Lancelot is your favorite so you want him to be the best and whatever. The others catching up to Lancelot doesn't mean that there aren't any plans for him or his powers so I don't know what you're going on about. Escanor's character arc was progressing smoothly even as the others were catching up and he even managed to surpass his earlier limits with his ultimate form after everyone thought he had already reached his peak.I think your problem is that you think everyone thinks the same thing as you
If Nakaba-sensei thought that Lancelot's power was a hindrance to the story, he wouldn't have made him that powerful in the first place or given him limiters at the first palce like he did with Escanor, and even Meliodas at the beginning of the NNT.
But the fact that Nakaba-sensei made Lancelot so powerful and without problems is proof that he has plans for him and his immense power.
Lancelot falling into a long-term depression is a possibility I've brought up, not something I've concluded is the case. I've explained this before so I don't know why you'd say this. The reason I entertain the possibility is because it strikes me as odd for Ban to bring up the topic at all if it's something that has already been resolved almost two years ago. As for why Lancelot would be so strongly affected, that's for Nakaba to decide since I didn't expect Lance to be as sad as he was, in fact I thought he would end up being more angry and edgy. You could probably cook something up based on Lancelot's interpersonal struggles and fondness of Percival coupled with him blaming himself for everything as the de facto leader.All Ban remembers is his sad son two years ago, shortly after Percival's death, so I don't understand how you concluded that he was depressed and that this depression persists.
Do you think that anyone who grieved over the death of his friend would fall into depression and lock himself in his room for two years?
No, he said his reason to be in Bernia of all places was because of their ale. Ironside asks him why he isn't busy protecting his kingdom and that's when Ban mentions that doing so resulted in Britannia being laid to waste. He didn't abandon his duty to protect Benwick because he wanted to get drunk like some reckless alcoholic, he left because him staying there was leaving Britannia vulnerable. Do you think he'd be carrying his Sacred Treasure with him if he were only picking up some groceries to bring back home or going to a party? Bernia was just the first stop on the way to presumably Liones to team up with the other Sins, the goal of the meeting obviously being to protect Britannia rather than to just have fun.Ban said his main reason to come was to get drunk, and after defeating Ironside he even thought about partying with the other Sins.
Do you think this is the reaction of a father whose son suffers from depression?
As for whether this demeanor would be appropriate, do you remember what kind of person Ban is? His life was one of the hardest among the Sins, losing his sister at a young age, then being left behind by his foster father and finally losing Elaine while becoming immortal so that he could never reunite with her. Despite all of this hardship Ban kept up a cheery and playful exterior, goofing off with Meliodas, pulling pranks and getting drunk. It was only during the moments when his happy mask slipped that we learned how melancholic he really was. Would Ban go for a drink when times are tough? Absolutely, that's how he lived for most of his life.
Lancelot only being sad for a brief while is entirely possible, as is him being sad for a longer period. We won't know which is the case until Nakaba reveals more information about it, hence why I'm discussing these possibilities in the first place. It's somewhat ironic that you would make such confident statements when you accused me of assuming things earlier.The situation was introduced to show that Lancelot returned to his home and that he was very saddened by the death of his best friend
So I don't see how you linked it to depression and psychological problems
You're looking at character development from the point of view of a real person, where development is strictly positive, i.e. getting ahead in life and self-improving and so on. In fiction, character development is about a character changing in response to what happens to them, and the development does not have to be positive, think for example many villain origin stories where some bad events cause a normal person to go crazy. Facing a crisis and resolving it is a core component of character development, and Percival's current situation is a great example of that. He learned the truth of his origins but rather than just instantly being okay with it as a show of how strong he is, he instead broke down completely and gave up, deciding that he won't be able to protect his friends and that he should just disappear. What happened to Percival is not the opposite of development, it's set-up for his development by first tearing him down. He is eventually going to see the light and come back as a much stronger and more mature person for it, but that growth can only happen after he's hit a massive low point and reflected on it. The reason why I'm been talking about pausing Lancelot's growth is because of the issues that arise from him being overpowered and how Lancelot having his own crisis like Percival could be used to address that to break him out of his current repetitive role for the benefit of both him as well as other characters.I still don't see how the character's development is consistent with your previous statement that his growth should be stopped and kept off the screen, because this is not development, but rather the opposite.
character development is character development, so why you try to build it on the basis of stop growth strength?
Honestly, I think you're taking this too seriously. I wrote down my thoughts when the topic of the KotA's strength came up, you didn't like what I had to say, I explained my position further and now we're here. I've been very clear about how my idea is just one possibility and even brought up some alternatives like the other KotA getting their special training sessions to basically speed up their growth. I also followed this same approach back when we were discussing the potential outcomes of the encounter between the Perils and Ban, examining both the effects of Ban winning and him losing. I'm cognizant that there's no definitive way to predict what's going to happen in a story like this, which is why I try to be careful with my wording to avoid making any strong claims. In a nutshell, I like to analyze the series and to entertain different scenarios. I aim to make my arguments sound but that doesn't mean I consider them the most logical or appropriate, as this is ultimately not my story to tell. Maybe you get that impression because you see the reasoning behind what I'm saying even when you disagree with the idea itself? Anyway, if you don't care to discuss this further then I'm fine with wrapping things up here as I'm largely just clarifying things I've said earlier.And your problem again is that you think that your opinion is the most logical and appropriate for the story
The same thing happened before when you were adamant that Ironside and Pell could defeat Ban just because you thought it was better for the story than from your personal perspective.