Round of 16 Zeref vs Invel

[Jean Grey]

Zeref is INCREDIBLY powerful

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anyway, I'm giving this to Zeref because Invel is even a bigger scrub.

 

[LaGOAT]

This is a tournament yet It's apparent that emotions are running rampant here, reinforcing the criticism Ive directed at certain members before. Zeref is the strongest mage of his empire, and we were told that he ruled them all with an Iron Fist.

To entertain the thought of his devout subjects, Invel of all people, opposing him & actually giving him difficulty is preposterous. Just because his brother, strongest mage in the tournament, could stop him doesn't suddenly lower his power lvl lol.

the god of ishgar was said to be the most powerful mages in fiore but got mid-low diff by GS so should i make up feats to say that they are stronger than natsu laxus gildartz and jellal?? (the real GOI) zeref has false hype to make him look strong but doesnt have the feats.his hype cant help him here without any decent feats.

anyways invel instafrezze him he doesnt have to kill him here in this tournament in fact give him the FH and i till give it to invel. if u want we can debate this im serious about this u can say im upset (which im not) invel mid diff zeref

 

[Tirl]

perse he can even get tht done. Zeref's death wave arnd him and INVEL's ICE is nothing.
Even GRAY required to go as far as to use ICED shell which is much above what INVEL possibly ever did in his shortspan time in manga. So, normal level freezing is not going to bind ZEREF at all. + ZEREF can use Fire magic too like when he put hole in the END's book and burnt off MARD's book too

Just a snap and INVEL stops existing there.A death ball and INVEL is done forever.

The flames of NATSU in normal just defreezed tht ice..BRANDISH was unaffected. To take down ZEREF, tht level of fodder magic does not work.

The match against INVEL is nothing but a joke for ZEREF there.

Death wave was able to used only by affected from love for life and even Ultear can beat Zeref with his mega DEATH wave. So Invel easily freeze death wave like nothing. He said he use "cold" itself to freeze anything - objects, magic or souls.

Demonic armor is absolute ice than can freeze any thing, any human. Like infinite Iced Shell. Doubt Zeref has Acnologia's feats to resist magic itself.

Death ball? Maybe dark ball? Invel will freeze it like any other magic.

Zeref burn ice? Yes. But not instantly. And Invel needs just few moments to use demonic armor.

And why his ice shouldn't affect Zeref? He easily freeze Natsu on a minute. And Natsu >> Zeref and also has fire magic to counter ice.

Zeref is nothing more than low tier spriggan. Without immortality and warpstop he is fodder for more wizards. And death wave (which he can't use bs it is not his magic but god's curse and using by itself only) doesn't help him.

 

[Seven777]

This is a tournament yet It's apparent that emotions are running rampant here, reinforcing the criticism Ive directed at certain members before. Zeref is the strongest mage of his empire, and we were told that he ruled them all with an Iron Fist.

To entertain the thought of his devout subjects, Invel of all people, opposing him & actually giving him difficulty is preposterous. Just because his brother, strongest mage in the tournament, could stop him doesn't suddenly lower his power lvl lol.

No way Zeref is the strongest in his kingdom, both August and Eileen effortlessly defeat him, im talking literally no difficulty. There is a reason why everyone shits their pants at the sight of these two but dont bat an eyelid when Zeref walks in the room. Pretty clear that Zeref's immortality accounts for most of his strength, something Invel doesnt have to worry about if he can land Ice Slave. So the battle isnt really as onesided as you're making it out to be, Zeref's greatest strength is a non factor against Invel, so imo his chances of winning are decent, despite not being particularly powerful.

Oh and if you think the feats Zeref showcased in his battle with Natsu isnt gonna make at least some people think less of him, you're nuts.

 

[Kay3795]

the god of ishgar was said to be the most powerful mages in fiore but got mid-low diff by GS so should i make up feats to say that they are stronger than natsu laxus gildartz and jellal?? (the real GOI) zeref has false hype to make him look strong but doesnt have the feats.his hype cant help him here without any decent feats.

anyways invel instafrezze him he doesnt have to kill him here in this tournament in fact give him the FH and i till give it to invel. if u want we can debate this im serious about this u can say im upset (which im not) invel mid diff zeref

What part of 'he ruled HIS empire with an Iron Fist' don't you understand?

This is idle talk. Zeref one-shots Invel with a generic spell & calls it a day. Call all his subjects (except maybe Larcade, Irene & August) to support Invel in this match & he'd probably one-shot them all with the same degree of difficulty he'd have with just Invel alone—that's to say they're not doing diddly squat.

Freeze time + gerenic spells = one-shots everywhere. Dimaria also gets one-shotted, even if she can move.

 

[The President]

This honestly isnt even a contest.

Invel wins Mid-High Diff.

 

[lakhan220]

Death wave was able to used only by affected from love for life and even Ultear can beat Zeref with his mega DEATH wave. So Invel easily freeze death wave like nothing. He said he use "cold" itself to freeze anything - objects, magic or souls.

Zeref was not in control of his own magic as per stated back then and also ULTEAR's magic was time to which she moved forward...INVEL cannot freeze death wave at all...Even GRAY had to go for LOST attribute to even hope to seal him...So, freeezing deatrh wave is out of question. It took IGNEEL's flames to burn tht death wave and INVEL's ICE tbh is a fodder compared to IGNEEL's flames...So, no, he cannot freeze it.

Death wave , he can also use it when he disregards his feelings..It is his magic there...he showed it tht he can control it and hen he does, he is much above what he cannot do like say losing to ULTEAR ..And he killed HADES and at tht time too he used DEATH wave before to show he can control it..SO, no, it is not limited to feelings stuff . Love for life there means he did not want to kill humans and so, wave killed it and when he wans to kill them, he is on whole other level controlling it.

Demonic armor is absolute ice than can freeze any thing, any human. Like infinite Iced Shell. Doubt Zeref has Acnologia's feats to resist magic itself.

GRAY rsisted it and was not frozen NATSU broke out of it with normal fire. NATSU required IGNEEL's flames to burn or even harm ZEREF. INVEL is nowhere close near IGNEEL's flames..So, tth absolute ICE is a paltry joke compared to wht GRAY did using LOST attribute and wht NATSU did using IGNEEL's flames...NATSU easily broke out with normal fire and now when normal fire can crush this absoluteness . SO, no question ZEREF cannot do so.

Death ball? Maybe dark ball? Invel will freeze it like any other magic.

INVEL has not shown any feat to be able to freeze death magic. Simple comparison..to burn it, when u require IGNEEEL level of flames, the simple level of INVEL's ICE is not even close to freezing it when NATSU broke it out with simple fire which is much below IGNEEL's flames.
GRAY also had to add lost attribute to even hope to freeze him or seal him rendering him unable to move

Zeref burn ice? Yes. But not instantly. And Invel needs just few moments to use demonic armor.

1) The CQC feats of ZEREF = the IGNEEL flamed NATSU which is much above the DEMON armor of INVEL
2) INVEL's magic is not even clsoe to freeze ZEREF at all..not insta, not later, never. If he adds lost attribute, it is other thing..he can hope so..But, as we know, tht is not the case at all.

And why his ice shouldn't affect Zeref? He easily freeze Natsu on a minute. And Natsu >> Zeref and also has fire magic to counter ice.

1) NATSU >> ZEREF is not a valid statement
2) NATSU broke easily with normal fire and NATSU required a lot of effort with IGNEEL's flames to burn ZEREF's magic..Retropectively saying, when NATSU's normal fire can burn INVEL's ICE whereas NATSU requires IGNEEL level flames to burn off ZEREF's magic, how are they even comparable at all?

Zeref is nothing more than low tier spriggan. Without immortality and warpstop he is fodder for more wizards. And death wave (which he can't use bs it is not his magic but god's curse and using by itself only) doesn't help him.

Denial is strong in this one here. He can use death wave, He got cursed because he was much above others and attempted what others were afraid of and he was knowledgable enough to do so which perse INVEL lacked intelligence at all.

It is nothing but a false hardedly said statement. Even with just his magic levels, he is above all S-12s. Without immortality, he has a lot of things . NATSU and all the demons lived on as a magic of ZEREF feeding on him...+ he has a lot of magics , created demons, knows LAW magics, death magic, fire magic, has a knowledge which helped IRENE to revert back. the nemesis....None of which INVEL has counters for.

Just in terms of raw basic magic power, INVEL can not even hope to match ZEREF.

So, a low tier SPRIGGAN description for ZEREF just reeks of a poor downplay excuse and hypocrisy to justify INVEL's existence which is what personally I would see as a joke.

Basically, INVEL has shown nothing to even something on par with mid tier spriggans let alone top tiers. And ZEREF is much above his pawns. So, no matter what INVEL uses or does, does not change the fact tht he is a fodder compared to ZEREF

 

[Tirl]

Zeref was not in control of his own magic as per stated back then and also ULTEAR's magic was time to which she moved forward...INVEL cannot freeze death wave at all...Even GRAY had to go for LOST attribute to even hope to seal him...So, freeezing deatrh wave is out of question. It took IGNEEL's flames to burn tht death wave and INVEL's ICE tbh is a fodder compared to IGNEEL's flames...So, no, he cannot freeze it.

Death wave , he can also use it when he disregards his feelings..It is his magic there...he showed it tht he can control it and hen he does, he is much above what he cannot do like say losing to ULTEAR ..And he killed HADES and at tht time too he used DEATH wave before to show he can control it..SO, no, it is not limited to feelings stuff . Love for life there means he did not want to kill humans and so, wave killed it and when he wans to kill them, he is on whole other level controlling it.


GRAY rsisted it and was not frozen NATSU broke out of it with normal fire. NATSU required IGNEEL's flames to burn or even harm ZEREF. INVEL is nowhere close near IGNEEL's flames..So, tth absolute ICE is a paltry joke compared to wht GRAY did using LOST attribute and wht NATSU did using IGNEEL's flames...NATSU easily broke out with normal fire and now when normal fire can crush this absoluteness . SO, no question ZEREF cannot do so.


INVEL has not shown any feat to be able to freeze death magic. Simple comparison..to burn it, when u require IGNEEEL level of flames, the simple level of INVEL's ICE is not even close to freezing it when NATSU broke it out with simple fire which is much below IGNEEL's flames.
GRAY also had to add lost attribute to even hope to freeze him or seal him rendering him unable to move


1) The CQC feats of ZEREF = the IGNEEL flamed NATSU which is much above the DEMON armor of INVEL
2) INVEL's magic is not even clsoe to freeze ZEREF at all..not insta, not later, never. If he adds lost attribute, it is other thing..he can hope so..But, as we know, tht is not the case at all.



1) NATSU >> ZEREF is not a valid statement
2) NATSU broke easily with normal fire and NATSU required a lot of effort with IGNEEL's flames to burn ZEREF's magic..Retropectively saying, when NATSU's normal fire can burn INVEL's ICE whereas NATSU requires IGNEEL level flames to burn off ZEREF's magic, how are they even comparable at all?



Denial is strong in this one here. He can use death wave, He got cursed because he was much above others and attempted what others were afraid of and he was knowledgable enough to do so which perse INVEL lacked intelligence at all.

It is nothing but a false hardedly said statement. Even with just his magic levels, he is above all S-12s. Without immortality, he has a lot of things . NATSU and all the demons lived on as a magic of ZEREF feeding on him...+ he has a lot of magics , created demons, knows LAW magics, death magic, fire magic, has a knowledge which helped IRENE to revert back. the nemesis....None of which INVEL has counters for.

Just in terms of raw basic magic power, INVEL can not even hope to match ZEREF.

So, a low tier SPRIGGAN description for ZEREF just reeks of a poor downplay excuse and hypocrisy to justify INVEL's existence which is what personally I would see as a joke.

Basically, INVEL has shown nothing to even something on par with mid tier spriggans let alone top tiers. And ZEREF is much above his pawns. So, no matter what INVEL uses or does, does not change the fact tht he is a fodder compared to ZEREF

Gray used lost attribute to erase his life from existences, not to freeze Zeref.

Igneel's power doesn't make Natsu stronger. It is nothing more than ability to kill the immortal person. Igneel's flame burns hair on Happy paws, really strong flame, I'm scared

INVEL has not shown any feat to be able to freeze death magic

Like Zeref never showed any feat to be able to burn insta freeze.

GRAY rsisted it

Gray didn't resist it, he consumed ice from armor and used it bs he is slayer.

NATSU >> ZEREF is not a valid statement

Zeref >> everyone is not a valid statement

None of which INVEL has counters for

And Invel counter everything by freezing Zeref instantly


And now we have Invel, who can freeze Zeref in a moment, can freeze his soul like he did to Mavis, can freeze Zeref for eternity by demonic armor, has ability to freeze magic itself, has great intellect and battle knowledge as a emperor's right hand.
And we have Zeref, who can't use timestop in this T, can't regenerate himself, can't use death magic (any proof?), can't negate Iced Shell, can't beat Natsu (who burn Iced Shell like nothing) even with infinite power of time, and now Zeref can only strike his dark magic and maybe teleport himself. And even with ability to consume magic from opponent, Zeref can't even touch Invel.

Azir dries Zeref to death.
Invel freeze Zeref for eternity.
Jacob teleport him to another dimension and beat him there to death.
Dimaria stops time and kill him.
Brandish shrink him to dust.
Brad obliterate him with MBP.
Lacarde RIPs him like nothing.
August wipe him with any magic.
Irene blitz him by her hands.

And Only Serena with Wahl will fight him in combat bs they have no any ability to take down Zeref quickly.
And Neinheart... I don't know who he can bring to fight Zeref. But he can bring August

 

[Jean Grey]

heck, I'm changing my mind.

Invel takes this.

 

[~Charging Lightning~]

Guys come on, this is ridiculous. I can't tell whether you guys are serious or not but Zeref ends Invel instantly. As in Invel shouldn't even last a minute. As pathetic as Zeref was in his fight vs Natsu there's no logical reason why Invel won't be destroyed here.

 

[Star Frost]

I don't find Zeref all that powerful. Just with his immortality and his instant killing magic is a force to be reckon with. He appears to be more deadly than strong. Nevertheless, he owns Invel with that.

 

[LaGOAT]

Guys come on, this is ridiculous. I can't tell whether you guys are serious or not but Zeref ends Invel instantly. As in Invel shouldn't even last a minute. As pathetic as Zeref was in his fight vs Natsu there's no logical reason why Invel won't be destroyed here.

im serious show me feat of zeref that can to beat invel

 

[Kay3795]

Guys come on, this is ridiculous. I can't tell whether you guys are serious or not but Zeref ends Invel instantly. As in Invel shouldn't even last a minute. As pathetic as Zeref was in his fight vs Natsu there's no logical reason why Invel won't be destroyed here.

The lvl of emotion talking here, a tournament where objectivity should be communicated, would impress Natsu & Erza to significantly up their game.

 

[LaGOAT]

What part of 'he ruled HIS empire with an Iron Fist' don't you understand?

This is idle talk. Zeref one-shots Invel with a generic spell & calls it a day. Call all his subjects (except maybe Larcade, Irene & August) to support Invel in this match & he'd probably one-shot them all with the same degree of difficulty he'd have with just Invel alone—that's to say they're not doing diddly squat.

Freeze time + gerenic spells = one-shots everywhere. Dimaria also gets one-shotted, even if she can move.

what part of GOI are the stronegst in fiore dont u get either??? they were said to be leaps and bound above every1 else in ishgar makarov started that jura=gildartz which means gildartz shouldnt be on their level and look what happened

by ur logic i should give them the same benefit of the doubt like ur giving zeref not giving zeref hype with no decent FEAT the same way ur not giving the 'GOI''

zeref is false hype bro his best feats are killing people are are exhausted/injure/powerless a feat that even bisca can do

he isnt oneshotting any1 that are 100% healthy he gets low-mid diff at best and that because of his immortality.

 

[Invel > Zeref]

Just based on feats Invel low diffs Zeref. Invel managed to freeze Base Natsu and could have killed him in the time it took for Natsu to melt the ice if Gray wasn’t there to prevent that. Invel immediately had base Natsu defeated while Zeref was fighting evenly with base Natsu (although holding back) and got one shotted by base Natsu even with infinite power. If Invel could insta-freeze Natsu, the most powerful fire wizard in existence, I see no reason why he can’t do that to Zeref who proved to be a scrub who only resorts to darkness blasts during combat.


Zeref’s best feats this arc:
-one shotting an injured Larcade who could barely stand

-tanking attacks from FDKM NATSU. However, I don’t see how Zeref’s ability to tank these attacks means he can’t be beaten by Invel’s hax instafreeze. Ironically, base Natsu has better feats than Natsu in this form anyway.

-getting one shotted by base Natsu while in infinite power form

-If Zerefs death waves can get burned by base Natsu, I don’t see why they can’t be frozen by Invel’s armor

Invel’s feats

-no-diffed Natsu (I don’t like the argument that Natsu was off guard since Invel clearly made his presence known to Natsu by first freezing his attacks)

-made a slayer experience pain from his own element (only other person to do that recently was August)

-the only reason he lost to Gray is because Gray could reshape the ice from his armor which I believe to be on par with Gray’s ice shell that was freezing Zeref because it was able to freeze an ice devil slayer

Aside from hype that has consistently been proven false in this arc, I see no reason why Zeref should advance here.

 

[~Charging Lightning~]

^Dude, did you really join MH just to write an essay on why Invel is stronger than Zeref??? Holy crap Hiro, what have you done to your fans?

im serious show me feat of zeref that can to beat invel

Are we forgetting that Zeref can use death magic? How on earth does Invel counter that???

 

[Tirl]

Are we forgetting that Zeref can use death magic? How on earth does Invel counter that???

Zeref can't use death magic. It is god's curse and using by love for life.

Invel easily freeze any material form of magic. While Zeref can't kill people by his mind - he can't beat Invel. And even with this Invel just freeze Zeref's soul.

 

[Invel > Zeref]

^Dude, did you really join MH just to write an essay on why Invel is stronger than Zeref??? Holy crap Hiro, what have you done to your fans?

Are we forgetting that Zeref can use death magic? How on earth does Invel counter that???

If death magic could be matched with fire and burned why can't it be frozen? And how does Zeref counter getting frozen? Does he have stronger flames than Natsu that we haven't seen?

 

[~Charging Lightning~]

If death magic could be matched with fire and burned why can't it be frozen? And how does Zeref counter getting frozen? Does he have stronger flames than Natsu that we haven't seen?

Igneel's flames burning Zeref's magic doesn't mean Invel can freeze it. Igneel's flames>>>>>>>>>Invel's ice. Heck casual base Natsu melted Invel's ice. You don't need stronger flames than natsu to not get insta frozen by Invel. With that logic Invel can insta freeze every character bar maybe August who's melt may or may not be hotter than Natsu's flames.

What are Invel's reaction feats anyway? If I recall, he couldn't even react to base Gray punches. Even if we give Invel the benefit of the doubt and say he can freeze Zeref's death waves, he still doesn't have the feats that say he can react to them.

 

[LaGOAT]

^Dude, did you really join MH just to write an essay on why Invel is stronger than Zeref??? Holy crap Hiro, what have you done to your fans?

Are we forgetting that Zeref can use death magic? How on earth does Invel counter that???

its hiro fault bro look how pathetic zeref bro

did u forget it that feat comes and goes?? the feat come at random times he doenst know how to control it that like giving wendy the POF because she has that to beat any1 because its ft. invel instafreeze zeref

--- Double Post Merged, May 21, 2017, Original Post Date: May 21, 2017 ---

Igneel's flames burning Zeref's magic doesn't mean Invel can freeze it. Igneel's flames>>>>>>>>>Invel's ice. Heck casual base Natsu melted Invel's ice. You don't need stronger flames than natsu to not get insta frozen by Invel. With that logic Invel can insta freeze every character bar maybe August who's melt may or may not be hotter than Natsu's flames.

What are Invel's reaction feats anyway? If I recall, he couldn't even react to base Gray punches. Even if we give Invel the benefit of the doubt and say he can freeze Zeref's death waves, he still doesn't have the feats that say he can react to them.

except that he use his own base form causal punch to beat FH zeref and was done plus zeref wasnt dead u dont have to kill him in this tournament