Battle Adult Gon vs Meruem?

[Demonspeed]

I don't see why the Rose he brought up so much, it is more powerful than adult Gon's Rock and Meruem would have died without his guards. Adult Gon's Rock is not going to one shot him either.

Honestly the way i see it, Meruem is a specialist. And as the show's basically outlined, Specialists develop random abilities that usually don't correspond with staggering efficiency (Aka Kurapika who can use all areas of Nen at 100% when his eyes are red). I'd say the King is definitely an enhancer (unless his arms just contain enough strengh to cut through netero's aura shroud and limbs naturally...). And we know from anime muscle mass =/= strength, although Adult gon (or super gon, whichever you prefer) is definitely a towering man-beast but if muscles ment the world then Ging is in trouble.

In a show down of Aura, I'd say Meruem has more (Just from the fact that he spent a while hunting down 'rare' humans and he is the epitome of Auras collected for the Queen while she was pregnant). And If enhancers strength = who has the most aura *(times) natural physical strength. I'd say Meruem wins. He has enough aura to absorb a zero hand's shock wave for the most part, then turns around and shrouds himself from a nuke going off within less than 15 feet from him. Although he almost did die, the fact that his aura protected him from being atomized and being completely liquefied in the lava is MORE than impressive. Plus his normal strength (without aura enhancement) seems to be alot more than any normal human being should be able to achieve. But hell this is Gon, so let's say his physical strength through years of training mirrors the strength of a supposed genetically superior creature whose DNA was hand picked from the finest reserves. His aura still seems to be leagues over Gon's, and this is just strengh. Factor in Strategy, speed and mid combat flexiblity (Meruem has more means of attack *factoring in his tail* Smaller frame and lighter body weight) and the odds just seem to me more in Meruem's favor. In my humble opinion.

Kurapika's being very proficient at Enhancement is due to Emperor Time, it is his Specialist ability and even with this he can't be better at it than a natural Enhancer. So Meruem can't be better at Enhancement than Gon. He didn't really eat many humans with Nen, only one, it was the bodyguard of the body double of Ming Joli-ik, he spent his days playing against Komugi without eating anything. Pitou felt his aura here and said adult Gon's aura was comparable to him. I don't know who has more Aura but the difference between them must be insignificant. Due to being an Enhancer and reaching a level with an exceptional physical condition + an incerible volume of aura comparable to Meruem himself, Gon's physical strength is certainly superior, same for his Nen attacks.

So you're arguing that Gon (a human) is more durable than the King?

No.




For a display of Meruem's offensive ability = Meruem was able to rip his arm off and two limbs off Netero, all done in one quick swipe. Meruem is more durable than Pitou. He was able to rip a limb off himself. Do you really think he couldn't rip a head off Pitou with full strength?

Gon, meanwhile, seriously messed up BUT failed to kill Pitou with one hit from his strongest Hatsu (which needs to be charged). So we know he would not be able to one-shot Meruem. We don't know exactly how much more durable Meruem is over Pitou. But Meruem tanked Netero's Zero Hand. How weak do you think that attack is? It cost Netero his entire aura. It is equivalent in cost to Gon's transformation! Do you really think it'd be that weak? I'd assume it be at least be enough to seriously injure Pitou (like how Gon's Jajanken did). And yeah, considering the cost, I would totally put bets on it having power close to a Jajanken. Sacrifice my entire aura pool and life for a single attack close in power to that of an Emitter's basic Hatsu - I'd say that's fair.

And Meruem TANKED that.

Being nice to Gon and lowballing Meruem's durability, I'd say Gon would need to land at least three jajankens on Meruem to put him out.



I'm glad no one's trying to debate a fight with post-Meruem.

Zero is not powerful compared to Rock. Netero is no more at his prime and his aura is not even comparable to that of the Royal Guards, Gon's aura is much more powerful than this. It is equivalent to Gon's sacrifice but the power is not the same. A simple kick of Gon is more powerful than Netero's palm attack.

Three Rock should be enough yes.

 

[Machi-tan]

I wouldn't really say a Gon Kick = A palm from Netero but to each's own.

And Let's say we give Gon the Strength advantage, sure. Now then What about all other factors of the fight? We know, know, especially in hunter x hunter pure strength doesn't add up to diddly squat if he can't hit, or land a solid hit. Meruem is faster, more flexible in combat because of his smaller frame and more directions of attack including his tail. As well as being able to quickly figure out his opponent's weakness. Not saying Gon won't pull some quick ones on him with instinct, but as easily as aura enhances Gon's attack, Aura boosts the king's already crazy durability. 3 rocks wouldn't be enough, not close. Gon wrecked pitou because simply, he is physically stronger and has much more aura than her. If Gon and the King's auras are about the same, his rocks wouldn't hit NEARLY as hard because of the Aura cushion. And Yeah gon is physically built, but so was Netero. And Netero is a confirmed Enhancer, his personal body aura couldn't hold vs Meruem's attacks, which weren't even his best. This says ALOT about what Meruem would be capable if he just simply focused aura around his hand before an attack, nothing fancy.

Needless to say the fight wouldn't be short. And Meruem excels in longer fights because he starts to disassemble his opponents into behavioral patterns and problems that he has solved. Gon's only hope vs Meruem 1.0 is to start strong and finish strong but that'd require him to be fast enough to get into range of Meruem, charge a rock, and launch it with enough aura so that even if Meruem puts 100% of his aura shroud into position to intercept the blow it packs enough boom to tear through Meruem's aura reserve and hit. And AFTER going through the aura reserve, still have enough power to actually deal damage to the King's exoskeleton. a TALL order.

And I'm glad no one is arguing vs Post-Nuke Meruem either. Even though it wouldn't be much of a debate, it'd be more like: "Meruem, brah". That'd hold enough value to nullify any pipe dream of Super gon Vs Meruem (Post Rose).

 

[Kanmuru]

Well, is this were DBZ Demonspeed would say:

Meruem: Kid Buu
Adult Gon: Goku SSJ 3
Netero: Krilin at 22 tenkaichi budokai

I don't know man, maybe he should read the manga and not be blinded by the epic animation gon obtained in his fight against pitou.
Netero is the strongest human character till today it is clear (anyone can react to HK, not even meruem could) although we still don't know the limits of ging.
Adult gon got stronger in aura and raw strength, but that doesn't mean anything if he neither reaches the old man nor reacts to HK.
Also Gon doesn't have the tank capabilities of meruem(not even close) = certain death.

 

[Fox666]

Also Gon doesn't have the tank capabilities of meruem(not even close) = certain death.

Why not? Meryem and the Royal Guard were so resilient mostly because of the level of their Aura. Regardless of how much effective in combat Netero is, you have to admit he is far from them in Aura.

 

[Demonspeed]

I wouldn't really say a Gon Kick = A palm from Netero but to each's own.

No, his kick is not equal to Netero's palm. It's much more powerful than that.

And Let's say we give Gon the Strength advantage, sure. Now then What about all other factors of the fight? We know, know, especially in hunter x hunter pure strength doesn't add up to diddly squat if he can't hit, or land a solid hit. Meruem is faster, more flexible in combat because of his smaller frame and more directions of attack including his tail. As well as being able to quickly figure out his opponent's weakness. Not saying Gon won't pull some quick ones on him with instinct, but as easily as aura enhances Gon's attack, Aura boosts the king's already crazy durability. 3 rocks wouldn't be enough, not close. Gon wrecked pitou because simply, he is physically stronger and has much more aura than her. If Gon and the King's auras are about the same, his rocks wouldn't hit NEARLY as hard because of the Aura cushion. And Yeah gon is physically built, but so was Netero. And Netero is a confirmed Enhancer, his personal body aura couldn't hold vs Meruem's attacks, which weren't even his best. This says ALOT about what Meruem would be capable if he just simply focused aura around his hand before an attack, nothing fancy.

Needless to say the fight wouldn't be short. And Meruem excels in longer fights because he starts to disassemble his opponents into behavioral patterns and problems that he has solved. Gon's only hope vs Meruem 1.0 is to start strong and finish strong but that'd require him to be fast enough to get into range of Meruem, charge a rock, and launch it with enough aura so that even if Meruem puts 100% of his aura shroud into position to intercept the blow it packs enough boom to tear through Meruem's aura reserve and hit. And AFTER going through the aura reserve, still have enough power to actually deal damage to the King's exoskeleton. a TALL order.

And I'm glad no one is arguing vs Post-Nuke Meruem either. Even though it wouldn't be much of a debate, it'd be more like: "Meruem, brah". That'd hold enough value to nullify any pipe dream of Super gon Vs Meruem (Post Rose).

I never believed Netero was an Enhancer TBH, he is more like an Emitter to me but even considering he is an Enhancer it is irrelevant. Compared to Meruem, Adult Gon and the guards his aura is nothing. You can't really say that Meruem is faster, not when Gon managed to dodge a surprise attack by Pitou and retaliate by kicking her, not too sure how his frame would give Meruem an advantage but compared to Gon's advantage, there is no reason to believe he is more flexible either since Gon has been trained to martial arts. Pitou said herself that he was at the level of Meruem and she felt his aura, having the same level of Aura doesn't mean that you can nullify all the attacks, there are Ken, Ryu, Ko, all of this greatly influences the battle. Even by using Ryu on a single part of the body there is no way someone with a similar aura volume as Gon for example can nullify Rock for example.

Meruem is disadvantaged no matter how I look at it. He can only fights at close range, at close range he is disadvantaged because it is precisely the main strength of Enhancers, Enhancers has more power and defensive capabilities and as I said above, he is a good practitioner of Ryu and Ken, he trained for this, unlike Meruem. Not saying that Meruem's attacks won't damage him but do you see Meruem winning over someone who has enough aura to beat him and is the most gifted Enhancer of the story to lose in at close combat? I don't see it.

Gon is not even obliged to fight at close range, he has Paper, Scissors, he can keep his distance if he wants and Jajanken is an excellent strategic tool. Gon doesn't have to be fancy either, 3 Rocks were an estimation only if he was using only this to fight.

Well, is this were DBZ Demonspeed would say:

Meruem: Kid Buu
Adult Gon: Goku SSJ 3
Netero: Krilin at 22 tenkaichi budokai

I don't know man, maybe he should read the manga and not be blinded by the epic animation gon obtained in his fight against pitou.
Netero is the strongest human character till today it is clear (anyone can react to HK, not even meruem could) although we still don't know the limits of ging.
Adult gon got stronger in aura and raw strength, but that doesn't mean anything if he neither reaches the old man nor reacts to HK.
Also Gon doesn't have the tank capabilities of meruem(not even close) = certain death.

I don't see what reacting to HK is so important since nobody can as you said. Power levels and better reactions are different, besides Gon has proved to have excellent reactions and speed by kicking Pitou. Comapred to Meruem, Gon has so many options, I read the manga several times and think Meruem is not beating him, Netero is not even close to their level, this is not the thread for that.

Gon might be less durable but this is not a simple battle, this is a Nen battle. Coupled with his body who was comparable to Biscuit's true form, given that he is an Enhancer and is tremendous aura volume this is not a problem, without aura protecting his body he should already be many times more durable than Uvo. You can mention Pitou but the Pitou who sliced his arm was a Pitou who became several times stronger and she still got wrecked after this and it was a surprise attack.

Meruem is winning this just because his physical durability is better than Gon? Only Meruem's physical durability is superior to Gon, their speed should be comparable, but Gon is superior to him in everything besides that(experience, aura mastery, physical strength etc.). I don't see how Meruem is winning this.

 

[Machi-tan]

Smaller frame = less mass to move = more speed, is where I'm coming from in that regard. And as far as nullifying Rock completely, i never said that it would. Maybe post-rose Meruem's aura would be enough to smother out Gon's rock aura but definitely not pre-rose. As far as Netero being an enhancer goes, it just served the purpose of saying even as a Well respected Nen user who was the world's best at some point, Netero's natural body armor (muscle) + his enhancer capabilities didn't stop Meruem from sniping his arm and leg with little to no effort. Which is the point I'm trying to communicate, his attacks had no pretext, no wind up, no fancy chant or focus. Just *pop* gone. If Meruem took his time to wind up the aura into his attacks, or even tried to use more than his wrist in a chopping motion the amount of damage he'd do would be great.

Aura would even the grounds as far as taking Gon's rocks would go. Unless Gon was somehow able to trap Meruem in a situation where he'd have time to do his like 10 second wind up chant before throwing the punch for a fully charged Rock, Gon's baby rocks that take half a sec to wind up wouldn't amount to more than just a punch (vs Meruem's defense). And even if gon is award twice the physical output of Netero's Hatsu, we already know that he's still not going to do much vs Meruem, save throwing him around a bit. Doubling the damage from the physical hits from the fight vs Netero alone doesn't do anything. Paper and Scissor is a waste of time in that fight IMO, it'd waste Aura, and if you're counting them even, every output would put the other one closer to winning. Papers lose of fire power would be no good except for pushing Meruem back, Scissor maybe, but then while extending his arm and changing stance for a blade mimicking attack he'd have to worry about the opening created and Meruem's ungodly speed.

So yeah, I still believe that gon would have to Wind up several fully charged Rocks and pray that Meruem's speed and uncanny ability to separate limb from body doesn't match him first. And say what you will. Besides maybe Adult Killua, There's very few characters in the anime that I'd expect to be 'faster' than Meruem. Adult gon might be close, but side stepping Pitou's attack is something that even Killua could do with apt warning as a child (Hell he pulled Gon out of the way.... mostly) and we've seen his ground speed with God Speed on, he might move at quicker for longer periods of time than Meruem (Never seen him run, just kinda... pounce) but in definitive bursts, Meruem is definitely the fastest at his point.

(Side note, adult Killua + God Speed? Instant death across the board)

 

[kulugo]

i'll just go with what Pitou said. she's happy that she's the one who faced Gon and not the king. =)

 

[mioluva]

Meruem 2.0 was so strong but can't fight off the effect of the ROse? what is that writing? But just for the sake of argument, I think Gon vs Meruem 1.0, Meruem would lose but 2.0 I'm not sure. In writing perspective i think it is a retconned type of character thus Adult Gon can't win because of plot shield.

It is actually good writing because it shows that even heroic sacrifices from your allies don't always work. Strength doesn't mean anything when the poison is already circulating in the body. Even guys like Uvogin would've been killed by poison. How is it retconned? In what way did it contradict what was said before? It's not like Cell from DBZ who said he needed his central nervous system intact to regenerate. Later in the arc his upper body got destroyed but still regenerated because the author forgot the earlier statement. That's a what a retcon is. Also, adult Gon can't win not because of plot armor but because he was really beneath Meruem 2.0 in overall ability and feats. Netero represented the best humanity had to offer in terms of aura, technique, and physical ability yet all he was able to give Meruem 1.0 was a few scratches. 2.0 wouldn't give him that chance.

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also how can you say that adult gon won't survive the rose explosion? we didn't know that. uvogin was scratchless against bazookas. (that's significantly weaker though like 10,000 times but still.)

King smacked ant captain - loses head
King smacked Pitou - keeps head
Netero smacked Pitou - scratchless bu sent flying away
Netero went toe to toe with the king - loses but managed to hold his own
Gon smacked Pitou with one simple kick - almost unconscious / unable to fight

im looking at it this way (not hisoka's rating)

Meruem is probably around 100
Pitou and Netero around 80
and adult Gon probably around 90

I'd put Netero a little higher though. People who aren't Meruem shouldn't be able to dodge Netero's barrage attack.

 

[KingOfNight]

You can't really say that Meruem is faster, not when Gon managed to dodge a surprise attack by Pitou and retaliate by kicking her, not too sure how his frame would give Meruem an advantage

Dodging a surprise attack from Pitou is not more impressive than capturing a slight opening(that is far too insignificant to be called a habit or a bias) that is hidden by thousands of supersonic attacks. Especailly considering that one of these attacks was faster than Pitou could comprehend even after heightening her senses to the max. So yes, Meruem is, by all means, much faster than Adult Gon.

Like I said before, Meruem could easily send Gon's head flying whenever he wants. Gon has no attack besides Jajanken that could cause Meruem any form of significant damage. His kicks and punches aren't more powerful than the Zero Hand, which wasn't even a threat to Meruem. And even if one were to say that he can't rip off Gon's head in an instant(which he can), it still doesn't mean that he's in any kind of disadvantageous situation. He could easily take Gon apart one limb at a time(which even Pitou could do) and Gon wouldn't be able to do anything about it since the only attack he has which can be of any danger to Meruem is one that takes three weeks to prepare.

 

[shionoro]

People overestimate pitou's statement about being happy that gon wasted his power on her,

That does not mean gon was faster or stronger than the king, it means is strength was great enough to hurt the king.
Paired with, for example, a character like meleoron or another setup like netero holding the king down super gon could be able to kill the king, and pitou was able to take out that potential threat.
That's all about it.

Super gon is too squishy to fight the king one on one.
If Killua had not saved him, even pitou's corpse would've been enough to kill him.

The kign could also just fly away if he wanted to,

 

[Riyuki]

^ I'm pretty sure the kick that absolutely fucked Pitou up critically wasn't a jajenkan

People need to realize that EVERYTHING about Adult Gon was absolutely off the charts. It was the prodigy we've seen since the age of 12 in his late 30s or so. Incase you didn't notice he was like 2 fucking feet taller than his dad, Ging. That form of Gon could've even been in the early 40s. All we have to reference is Killua saying "decades?" meaning at least the age of 34. AT LEAST. Netero said he was in his prime back around that age too.

I doubt Meruem 2.0 could've lost to anyone. I bet that type of Chimera Ant would've been ranked S and be one of the calamities if he didn't get poisoned.

One thing is clear though : that dodge and kick by Gon was absolutely insane. Did you ever hear Pitou make sounds of pain like that when Meruem hit her/him/don't care lol.

 

[Demonspeed]

You are really underestimating Gon's powerup.

Dodging a surprise attack from Pitou is not more impressive than capturing a slight opening(that is far too insignificant to be called a habit or a bias) that is hidden by thousands of supersonic attacks. Especailly considering that one of these attacks was faster than Pitou could comprehend even after heightening her senses to the max. So yes, Meruem is, by all means, much faster than Adult Gon.

This is not a speed feat, the speed of Netero's hand motions and HK's attacks are unrivaled. It's because Netero made mistake that Meruem could hit him, then he managed to predict his future movements and slice his right arm. Attacking when you see an opening is not a speed feat.

Like I said before, Meruem could easily send Gon's head flying whenever he wants.

If there is no aura covering his body maybe. Gon physical durability coupled with his aura obviously gives him an excellent defense, there is also the fact that he is an Enhancer.

Gon has no attack besides Jajanken that could cause Meruem any form of significant damage. His kicks and punches aren't more powerful than the Zero Hand, which wasn't even a threat to Meruem.

How can you say that only Jajanken could hurt Meruem? For the comparison with Netero's attack we have this.

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Pitou is fine, without even a scracth

Let's compare this with Gon's kick

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Pitou could not even move

They speak for themselves.

And even if one were to say that he can't rip off Gon's head in an instant(which he can), it still doesn't mean that he's in any kind of disadvantageous situation. He could easily take Gon apart one limb at a time(which even Pitou could do) and Gon wouldn't be able to do anything about it since the only attack he has which can be of any danger to Meruem is one that takes three weeks to prepare.

And of course Gon would let him do that . I guess you think Gon is unable to rip off Meruem's arm, right?

 

[Fox666]

Super gon is too squishy to fight the king one on one.
If Killua had not saved him, even pitou's corpse would've been enough to kill him.

Good job.

 

[Riyuki]

LOL WHAT?! How in the hell did Killua save Gon when his arm was cut off by Pitou? Are you talkit about when Kite fought Pitou? Because immediately after Gon had his arm cut off he immediately grabbed his cut off arm and crushed the shit out of Pitou.

Also- great post Demonspeed. I'm glad you posted the picture of Gon kicking Pitou because the guy that said only jajenkan could do anything is ridiculously wrong.

 

[KingOfNight]

This is not a speed feat, the speed of Netero's hand motions and HK's attacks are unrivaled. It's because Netero made mistake that Meruem could hit him, then he managed to predict his future movements and slice his right arm. Attacking when you see an opening is not a speed feat.

When exactly did Netero make a mistake? I don't remember him doing such. Like I said, when that opening is too small to be called an opening(meaning it should disappear in an instant after it's appearance) and it's shrouded by thousands of Supersonic attacks, then it's a speed feat. You need speed to attack that opening after all. You also have to take into account that this is the same Netero that could track Pitou without any problem and even taunt her in the process.

They speak for themselves.

I said they aren't stronger than the Zero Hand. So yes, only Jajanken can do anything worthy of mentioning.

And of course Gon would let him do that. I guess you think Gon is unable to rip off Meruem's arm, right?

He can't unless there's anything saying otherwise. If he could, might as well have beheaded Pitou instead of beating on her corpse for days.

 

[Demonspeed]

LOL WHAT?! How in the hell did Killua save Gon when his arm was cut off by Pitou? Are you talkit about when Kite fought Pitou? Because immediately after Gon had his arm cut off he immediately grabbed his cut off arm and crushed the shit out of Pitou.

Also- great post Demonspeed. I'm glad you posted the picture of Gon kicking Pitou because the guy that said only jajenkan could do anything is ridiculously wrong.

He must be referring to this.

Gon could have died yeah but it doesn't mean that their powers are comparable and it was a surprise attack. Pitou became more powerful after death and sliced his arm but he still killed her again with ease, and even used a his sliced arm to do it. It's like saying that Gon is stronger than Hisoka because he took his badge during the Exam.

When exactly did Netero make a mistake? I don't remember him doing such. Like I said, when that opening is too small to be called an opening(meaning it should disappear in an instant after it's appearance) and it's shrouded by thousands of Supersonic attacks, then it's a speed feat. You need speed to attack that opening after all. You also have to take into account that this is the same Netero that could track Pitou without any problem and even taunt her in the process.

Basically what they were tryind to do during the whole battle

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Meruem was looking for an opening to attack Netero while trying to analyze his attack patterns while Netero was trying to not make a single mistake so that Meruem could not reach him. Meruem is fast, very fast I don't deny it but even though his running speed is faster than netero's, he absolutely can't rival HK moves or his hand motions. Given that Meruem has no attacks at long range, it was the only way for him to reach Netero. At the beginning even when he had managed to be very close to Netero, he could do nothing against his hand motions. What Meruem did doesn't make him faster than Gon.

I said they aren't stronger than the Zero Hand. So yes, only Jajanken can do anything worthy of mentioning.

I don't see the problem if it is not more powerful than Zero. It was a pure physical attack, given the power of a single kick, how powerful would it be with the addition of Aura? They trained to Ryu and Ken for a reason, this is crucial in a Nen battle since a non protected body can be destroyed with ease. If you don't remember how important it is reread Gon VS Knuckle, Knuckle could have killed him with ease if he wanted to. And during this fight Gon found the quantity of Aura he had to use for his Ken to be able to keep up with Knuckle.

We can see that his Aura is shrouding his whole body and he was reaching his limit, Knuckle said it was at the level of a middle class pro. Now, imagine Adult Gon's Aura who can be used for attack and defense much more than this. The quantity of Aura he was releasing when just walking was phenomenal.

He can't unless there's anything saying otherwise. If he could, might as well have beheaded Pitou instead of beating on her corpse for days.

And if Meruem could behead the RGs he should have done it instead of only hitting them with great force since he didn't care about their lives .

To be able to do it you just need enough physical strength, you are saying that he has not enough strength for this? It doesn't even need to be stated, it should be obvious. Everybody doesn't fight the same way.

 

[KingOfNight]

Meruem was looking for an opening to attack Netero while trying to analyze his attack patterns while Netero was trying to not make a single mistake so that Meruem could not reach him. Meruem is fast, very fast I don't deny it but even though his running speed is faster than netero's, he absolutely can't rival HK moves or his hand motions. Given that Meruem has no attacks at long range, it was the only way for him to reach Netero. At the beginning even when he had managed to be very close to Netero, he could do nothing against his hand motions. What Meruem did doesn't make him faster than Gon.

Just going to say that neither the pics nor the links you provide seem to work for me.

We only have Pitou to base there speed on. Netero seemed laughably comfortable with someone of Pitou's speed, yet he openly stated that against someone as fast as Meruem, there's absolutely no room for mistake. Though unfortunately for him, even though he didn't make any mistakes, he ended up losing. I also never once said that he's as fast or faster than HK, I just said that to be able to seize an opening in an attack of that speed is quite impressive, when Pitou couldn't even realize what it was. What Meruem did makes him horrifyingly fast. So it's up to you to prove that Gon is his equal in terms of speed.

I don't see the problem if it is not more powerful than Zero. It was a pure physical attack, given the power of a single kick, how powerful would it be with the addition of Aura? They trained to Ryu and Ken for a reason, this is crucial in a Nen battle since a non protected body can be destroyed with ease. If you don't remember how important it is reread Gon VS Knuckle, Knuckle could have killed him with ease if he wanted to. And during this fight Gon found the quantity of Aura he had to use for his Ken to be able to keep up with Knuckle.

You're unnecessarily prolonging a what should be a short discussion. The Zero could do nothing more than a few scratches. If an inferior attack were to strike Meruem, the damage may as well be nothing. This is not a punching test for Gon to try Ryu and Ken and all of those basics because he only gets one shot before his head is sent flying. If someone as fast Netero with his HK couldn't afford a single miss then the inferior in speed Gon shouldn't afford any kind of second hits. Even if he were to connect a Ryu, the damage wouldn't be something to celebrate about, as Meruem would recover instantly and attack in that same instant. And unlike Netero, Gon doesn't have a supersonic speed praying technique that can protect him.

And if Meruem could behead the RGs he should have done it instead of only hitting them with great force since he didn't care about their lives .

I don't ever remember him using his hands against the RGs.

To be able to do it you just need enough physical strength, you are saying that he has not enough strength for this? It doesn't even need to be stated, it should be obvious. Everybody doesn't fight the same way.

Does he have the strength and speed to do that to someone that can survive a nuke? When even Janken Rock(his most powerful attack) couldn't finish off Pitou. And you said it, Gon can't(or doesn't know how to) fight like that. So you're assuming he can just for the sake of having something to reply about since you don't like the obvious result of this battle and that's Meruem speed-blitzing Gon.

 

[Demonspeed]

Just going to say that neither the pics nor the links you provide seem to work for me.

We only have Pitou to base there speed on. Netero seemed laughably comfortable with someone of Pitou's speed, yet he openly stated that against someone as fast as Meruem, there's absolutely no room for mistake. Though unfortunately for him, even though he didn't make any mistakes, he ended up losing. I also never once said that he's as fast or faster than HK, I just said that to be able to seize an opening in an attack of that speed is quite impressive, when Pitou couldn't even realize what it was. What Meruem did makes him horrifyingly fast. So it's up to you to prove that Gon is his equal in terms of speed.

How can you say he was comfortable with her speed because of a single exchange? He just blasted Pitou with an attack saying that her attack was bad, because it was a frontal one. Nobody is close even close to Netero's hand motion speed so Meruem reaching and hitting Netero thanks to an opening doesn't make him exceptional compared to Gon, I don' see how Gon would not be able to attack him if he does a mistake, same for Pitou. Gon doesn't even need this since he has Paper and Scissors.

Gon instead dodged Pitou's attack and was so fast she had no idea where he was at first.

You're unnecessarily prolonging a what should be a short discussion. The Zero could do nothing more than a few scratches. If an inferior attack were to strike Meruem, the damage may as well be nothing. This is not a punching test for Gon to try Ryu and Ken and all of those basics because he only gets one shot before his head is sent flying. If someone as fast Netero with his HK couldn't afford a single miss then the inferior in speed Gon shouldn't afford any kind of second hits. Even if he were to connect a Ryu, the damage wouldn't be something to celebrate about, as Meruem would recover instantly and attack in that same instant. And unlike Netero, Gon doesn't have a supersonic speed praying technique that can protect him.

Can you explain me how he could get one shotted with that massive aura covering his body by using Ken or Ryu? Netero's durability, Aura, physical strength and the rest where vastly inferior to Gon, that kick which hurt Pitou would have turned Netero into mincemeat. Had it not been for his hand motions he would have died in no time, Netero and Gon are not comparable at all. You have nothing to prove that Meruem is faster than Gon, even assuming he is, he would only be slightly faster, he can't blitz him. Why is it that when you Gon is attacking Meruem can retaliate instantly but Gon can't? He has more than enough aura to damage Meruem significantly physical attacks imbued with his aura and Meruem can recover instantly, but Gon can't?

I don't ever remember him using his hands against the RGs.

He used his tail and attacked them on their head.

Does he have the strength and speed to do that to someone that can survive a nuke? When even Janken Rock(his most powerful attack) couldn't finish off Pitou. And you said it, Gon can't(or doesn't know how to) fight like that. So you're assuming he can just for the sake of having something to reply about since you don't like the obvious result of this battle and that's Meruem speed-blitzing Gon.

In this short fight he clearly showed that he had more than enough physical strength and speed, it is rather odd to think he can't when he was stated to be at a level comparable to Meruem himself. Tanking a nuke doesn't make you immune to arm ripping. Besides, he survived(for a longer period) because of the RGs, he was dying.

 

[KingOfNight]

How can you say he was comfortable with her speed because of a single exchange? He just blasted Pitou with an attack saying that her attack was bad, because it was a frontal one. Nobody is close even close to Netero's hand motion speed so Meruem reaching and hitting Netero thanks to an opening doesn't make him exceptional compared to Gon, I don' see how Gon would not be able to attack him if he does a mistake, same for Pitou. Gon doesn't even need this since he has Paper and Scissors.

Gon instead dodged Pitou's attack and was so fast she had no idea where he was at first.

Let's see: He saw her coming, he thought up a bunch of different ways she could approach him, he then laughed at which way she chose and taunted her then he blasted her off into the distance. Sounds pretty comfortable to me. Striking that opening does make him exceptional. It was well established that this is a feat only he can achieve. And again, Netero didn't make a mistake. It's not finding that opening that's a speed feat, it's being able to capture it before an opponent who is launching countless thousands of of supersonic attacks. Which, by the way, Meruem was actually fast enough to have a more or less equal exchange with these thousands of supersonic attacks. And that's after Netero's senses were heightened far beyond what they were against Pitou.

Gon dodging an attack from Pitou is not nearly a great enough feat to compete with Meruem and Netero(who are both faster than Pitou) exchanging thousands of blows fast enough to spark fireworks between them in mere seconds.

Can you explain me how he could get one shotted with that massive aura covering his body by using Ken or Ryu? Netero's durability, Aura, physical strength and the rest where vastly inferior to Gon, that kick which hurt Pitou would have turned Netero into mincemeat. Had it not been for his hand motions he would have died in no time, Netero and Gon are not comparable at all. You have nothing to prove that Meruem is faster than Gon, even assuming he is, he would only be slightly faster, he can't blitz him.

Easy. He could take off his head. If the resurrected Pitou could do it, Meruem could do it ten times better. There's better speed feats for Meruem than there are for Gon, so there's that.

Why is it that when you Gon is attacking Meruem can retaliate instantly but Gon can't? He has more than enough aura to damage Meruem significantly physical attacks imbued with his aura and Meruem can recover instantly, but Gon can't?

Because we already established that Gon's kicks and punches aren't enough to cause the King a significant damage and it's not physically possible to retaliate from your head getting ripped off. Which is the King's main form of attack.

He used his tail and attacked them on their head.

Exactly.

In this short fight he clearly showed that he had more than enough physical strength and speed, it is rather odd to think he can't when he was stated to be at a level comparable to Meruem himself. Tanking a nuke doesn't make you immune to arm ripping. Besides, he survived(for a longer period) because of the RGs, he was dying.

He most certainly didn't show enough speed to do that. Plus, he's not adept in that deadly form of combat(limb ripping and all that), so it's still not likely for him to do that.

 

[Demonspeed]

Let's see: He saw her coming, he thought up a bunch of different ways she could approach him, he then laughed at which way she chose and taunted her then he blasted her off into the distance. Sounds pretty comfortable to me. Striking that opening does make him exceptional. It was well established that this is a feat only he can achieve. And again, Netero didn't make a mistake. It's not finding that opening that's a speed feat, it's being able to capture it before an opponent who is launching countless thousands of of supersonic attacks. Which, by the way, Meruem was actually fast enough to have a more or less equal exchange with these thousands of supersonic attacks. And that's after Netero's senses were heightened far beyond what they were against Pitou.

I don't really see how what happened with Pitou is so significant, had it been Meruem it would have been the same, he would have not reached Netero. All of this happened in a fraction of seconds, it was only depicted with more details due to Shinteki Kenchou. Meruem found an opening an attacked at high speed, Netero could do nothing about this, it is a testament of his speed and it is exactly what Netero was trying to avoid. Netero move HK with hand motions, once the attack patterns have been chosen he must pray again to change the attacks. We all knew Meruem was fast enough for this but it doesn't make him faster than Gon.

Gon dodging an attack from Pitou is not nearly a great enough feat to compete with Meruem and Netero(who are both faster than Pitou) exchanging thousands of blows fast enough to spark fireworks between them in mere seconds.

Netero is not faster than Pitou, his hand motions and Kannon attacks are.

Easy. He could take off his head. If the resurrected Pitou could do it, Meruem could do it ten times better. There's better speed feats for Meruem than there are for Gon, so there's that.

1. It was a Gon without aura protecting his body.
2. Gon can take off his head too.

Because we already established that Gon's kicks and punches aren't enough to cause the King a significant damage and it's not physically possible to retaliate from your head getting ripped off. Which is the King's main form of attack.

...Gon's kick was a casual attack without aura. GOn has enough aura to rival Meruem, so by coating his attacks with aura he has more than enough power to injure him, especially since he is an Enhancer. A hit on the head can be dodged, and blocked, by using Ken and Ryu, as against Knuckle he can resit this kind of attack. Covering your body with aura to fight is basic for during Nen battles.

Exactly.

And they didn't die, why?

He most certainly didn't show enough speed to do that. Plus, he's not adept in that deadly form of combat(limb ripping and all that), so it's still not likely for him to do that.

Meruem is not really an adept of a "deadly form of combat", he was not even one year, Gon has much more combat experience than him and practiced martial arts. He hits people with the intention to kill them in one strike, the only reason he was slicing Netero's limbs is because he didn't want to kill him. And Gon has Scissors that he can use at mid range to slice people, a range where Meruem can do nothing.