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Before I go any further into this, I want to make clear that I think Berserk is better then Naruto in damn near every way. I'm just defending a particular character(s) that I like, not the series as a whole. So vote for Berserk.
Thats why I said one of its themes central themes.The main theme being overcoming one's natural talent with hard work and persistence – a theme which it threw to the wayside on more than one occasion.
No such thing as a constant morally right state. There will always be those in power who arent morally right (by conventional standards at least). Danzo was one of them.As far as villages went, it was established early on that Konohagakure was overly moral and just. Kakashi seemed disgusted by the hidden mist's final graduation ceremony, for example.
I dont see how this is any different then real life. Sure there are events that are created in an attempt to sustain good relations, but if one countries economy or head of state goes to shit you can be damn sure any other country that can afford it will take advantage of that fact. At the end of the day, peoples sense of nationalism will always prevail over any idealistic global state of peace.The villages were going out of their way to try and find other ways to maintain peace (such as the chuunin exams having students from multiple villages) – and even when a fight did happen, it was down to an external influence (Orochimaru) not the actual leaders of the village.
This is beyond Itachi at this point so its besides the point but I'll entertain to the point anyway. That maybe can actually be very detrimental to Konoha. Even with a 20% chance of failure, that failure could have led to another country attacking and wiping out and/or taking control of Konoha. I'm not trying to defend mass genocide here, but these types of problems occur or have occurred in real life too. You can call Danzo and the elders a bunch of idiots for having such twisted ways of thinking, but you cant call it bad writing. I actually think Danzo was a fairly brilliantly written villain in the regard that he very accurately represented the dark depths that a strong sense of nationalism can go too (and one of the few villains in Naruto that stuck to his convictions till the end).If Konohagakure had actually tried dialogue with the Uchiha who weren't tried and [probably] punished for plotting a revolution, they may have had some success.
Itachi most certainly did not have any say in the matter, so you can seriously start putting any "bad writing" blame on him (he was what, 13? and a mere Anbu in standing). Hiruzen wasn't very proactive on the matter, he could have punished Danzo and dismissed the idea. Perhaps the reason he didn't was because he saw where Danzo was coming from. Or perhaps he knew that even if he did Danzo would do as he liked anyways since Danzo basically run the Konoha underground.Because Itachi (and Hiruzen, who also didn't want to kill the Uchiha) wasn't powerful enough, or smart enough to find a third solution?
What? That Danzo was shady af? Or that Itachi didn't have any choice but to go along with Danzos plans? I'm afraid both are more or less factual.No, you may buy that argument – but it doesn't mean that the rest of us have to also.
And, you know, killing dozens of people. Taking one of the Raikages (the equivalent of a president) limbs. Literally killing the stand-in "president" of another village. Picking a fight with ALL the other presidents. Dude was a straight up criminal, no sugar coating this.No, he just invaded a foreign nation – risking a war between 2 of the most powerful nations, which would have led to massive casualties.
If Voldemort would have killed everyone anyways, and that would have secured his victory then why wouldnt Severus kill Hogwarts to at least defeat Voldermort for good? He was a dark character and that kind of stuff wasnt beyond him (he did kill Albus on order). But that doesnt make him any less well written.But I don't buy that they would die anyway – nor that he would be able to bring himself to do that to all the kids.
If so, he is really hardly better than Voldemort, at that point.
Thats fine, I'm just defending a character I like that you were bashing (and if your bashing Danzo then him as well). I actually agree that it was dumb on Tobiramas part to put them in such a high position if he trusted them so little, although the Uchiha definitely were discriminated against. I mean they were literally grouped and put on the outskirts of the village. Thats pretty blatant discrimination if I've ever seen it.I am arguing that the whole revolution story shouldn't have been in there anyway – and not only because it was established that villages would do whatever they could to gain power (from trying to kidnap, then lie, to get a Byakugan, to forcing tailed beasts into children) – to try and kill off one of your strongest clans is tactically a rather poor plan.