He said,"His Majesty can defeat Acnologia if he gets FH".He didn't say,"If i or Irene or His Majesty gets FH we will be able to defeat Acnologia".That's the difference.
A difference that doesnt mention anything about Zeref's strength being the reason.
1)Definetly not immortality as Chapter 534 showed us.
1) Almost certainly immortality since you cant reverse time if you're dead, and unlike August, Zeref cant die even while vaporized
1)He clearly said to Gray,"You are the first person hearing this.Not even the 12 knows this".Anything else is non-Canon as of now.
1) The translation i read says only that he doesnt believe the spriggans know, yet, is yours official?
As i already said there is no evidence that Spriggans know about Neo Eclipse.If Zeref doesn't tell anyone how will they know?
August built Alvarez together with Zeref as his right hand man, him finding out isnt unreasonable, however i cant prove anything so i'll concede here, there isnt any point talking about it.
That could be the case so I'll accept defeat regarding August's words as I have no way of disproving your analysis. However, I still think Zeref (leader) is stronger than any of the Spriggans (subordinates) individually. This has been kept fairly consistent (surprisingly) among the main villains throughout this series. We even have Marin who is weaker than Brandish, Bakel & Kareem who are weaker than Ajeel, Juliet & Hynhe who are weaker than Irene, and the fodder knights who are weaker than Neinhart.
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I don't see why we should put so much weight and argument into such a baseless hax. Exactly what has it achieved that makes it so impressive? It's been used on characters that were around his level or lower. And even then, they broke out. This is no different from saying Brandish, Dimaria, and Jacob can give Zeref a run for his money. In my opinion, that's absurd.
Nothing is impressive about Invel's hax, i have most FT fighters breaking out of his Ice and most FT fighters being too fast for Ice Slave.That could be the case so I'll accept defeat regarding August's words as I have no way of disproving your analysis. However, I still think Zeref (leader) is stronger than any of the Spriggans (subordinates) individually. This has been kept fairly consistent (surprisingly) among the main villains throughout this series. We even have Marin who is weaker than Brandish, Bakel & Kareem who are weaker than Ajeel, Juliet & Hynhe who are weaker than Irene, and the fodder knights who are weaker than Neinhart.
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I don't see why we should put so much weight and argument into such a baseless hax. Exactly what has it achieved that makes it so impressive? It's been used on characters that were around his level or lower. And even then, they broke out. This is no different from saying Brandish, Dimaria, and Jacob can give Zeref a run for his money. In my opinion, that's absurd.
Personally, I don't think Zeref even needs to use any of the spells he used on Natsu to defeat Invel. This should work (and is somewhat instantaneous):
Once Invel is immobilized, he is a goner. Also, ignore Mest in the pages above because he won't be here to bail Invel out.
They knew about Fairy Heart what Zeref told them, if Zeref told them that he was going to use Fairy Heart to kill Acnologia in battle then it still doesn't mean anything about his strength in relation to August/Irene, Zeref is the only person who knows the capabilities of Fairy Heart so it is natural that he would be the wielder considering he is their leader and the only one with knowledge of FH and a plan to kill Acnologia. Nothing I can remember August saying indicates that Zeref is superior to them as Mages.Well clearly August says the different.
"He is not an opponent we can hope to defeat.However if his Majesty were to obtain FH...That may no longer be the case".
However you want to twist or distort this statement this is admitted by August.And as it is after Chapter 533 we get to know FH gives you power to control Time and Dimension.So your statement on immortality doesn't fit here as when you can re-create your body from molecular level destruction you don't need immortality.
But the main thing is August and Irene didn't know that Zeref was planning to go to past and erase this timeline.They made their statements on the idea that Zeref would get FH and fight Acnologia in this timeline.
How can he find though?As we can see from Zeref's words,he personally didn't mention about "Neo Eclipse" to any Spriggans so it's unlikely August knows.Especially i find it abnormal August would not even react to a plan that will leave him erased.No grief,regret or tears.Even if he accepts the plan he should have showed some emotions.
Irene-A DS.
Again you are using 'he should from hype' instead of actually examining his feats. When was Zeref shown to be able to produce flames both as powerful AND hot as base Natsu's flames or partial end's flames?Whose giving Zeref feats he doesn't have? Natsu with Power of Feelings isn't above Igneel-powered Natsu. Igneel powered Natsu had the power to kill Zeref, Natsu without Igneel's power doesn't. Even if Natsu with Power of Feelings was above Igneel-powered Natsu, this is still not the same version of Natsu that "fought" (and fought is a generous word here) Invel. No, Natsu wasn't pumped up on POF versus Neinhart. At least, not anywhere near the same extent as he was against Zeref. Natsu burned his own arm fighting Zeref. I think you can actually see the bones on Natsu's fingers. It is absolutely absurd to say this version of Natsu was comparable to the previous versions of Natsu that fought Neinhart, or broke out of Invel's ice.
POF is turning emotions into magical power, and not everyone is equally strong with it. Natsu with POF is stronger than everyone else with POF because of his feats are better. Also, the guildmark was glowing right before Natsu used the final attack against Zeref
Natsu broke out of Invel's ice with fairly weak flames. Natsu would break out of it faster with stronger flames, such as when he fought Gray. Zeref is arguably stronger than this version of Natsu.
Gray can copy the ice from the divine raiment for his gauntlet. He used that gauntlet to crush Invel's armour. Right of the bat that should tell us that Gray's ice is stronger. Gray can use the same ice as Invel's divine railment if he wanted to, but he still resorted to lost iced shell. Ice-Make: Impact was never shown to be a particularly fast spell. Rufus reacted to it back during the GMG and Silver reacted to it during Tartarus. Invel only reacted to Zero Longsword after Gray tagged him twice with it. And this was Gray before he thought Juvia died. After Gray was pumped up on POF, Invel was basically a punching bag.
Zeref managed to overpower Natsu and forced him to use dragon force to escape his black magic. I actually have Zeref's flames as stronger than Natsu's until Natsu started using dragon force. Even then, the only attack I would say definitely outclassed Zeref was an exhaustive demolition fist. The power of feelings attacks are obviously an exception, seeing as Natsu pretty much burned his own arm using it.
The first arcs of the series establish that different forms of fire magic have different qualities. So just because Zeref's black flames may be able to match Natsu in sheer power, that doesn't mean it also generates enough heat to melt Invel's ice. I believe that heat and not just explosive power is what helped Natsu melt Invel's ice and Zeref's black flames don't seem to generate a lot of heat. Plus we have no means of comparing partial END's flames with Zeref's anyway. Invel made his presence known before freezing Natsu by freezing his attacks first. Natsu tried to burn away the cold, realizes he's getting frozen, yet he couldn't do anything to prevent that. That was just a casual Invel who didn't think any of them where a threat. Unless they start the fight right next to each other I see Invel freezing Zeref's black flames and Zeref just long enough (Only a couple seconds) to ice lock him. Then he uses divine raiment to ensure victory. I doubt that Zeref can counter one of Invel's hax's but two at the same time? Nah
What makes you think Zeref's flames wouldn't be as hot as the ones Natsu used to overpower Invel? Frankly speaking, I think Zeref's black exploding flame blade is actually stronger than the flames Natsu used to escape Invel's ice. It was able to match one of POF Natsu's FDK demolition fist in chapter 536. It might be true that he heat was what allowed Natsu to melt the ice, but that's only if you want to melt it. It doesn't take any heat to shatter ice, and Invel's ice was never stated to be unbreakable or even particularly durable. Even if Invel's ice cannot be melted, whose to say that Zeref's magic wouldn't just shatter it? Gray was able to shatter it with brute force after all.
Have we ever seen Zeref use exploding flame blade outside of fairy heart mode? Why would Fairy Heart Zeref use a move he could do at the same level of strength in base mode? Larcade didn't get burned by Zeref's magic and if base Natsu was capable of instantly shattering/melting Invel's ice he would have done so. In chapter 497, Natsu sees himself getting frozen, say's "No way" while getting frozen. Invel's attack was so quick and undefensable that Natsu still couldn't use his heat to melt it or power to shatter instantly. Unlike Zeref's attacks, Invel's freezing presence is omni-directional and doesn't seem to take any effort or movement to effect non-ice mages. It doesn't matter if Zeref knows Invel's location because unless the battle starts with them as close as Zeref was to Larcade, Zeref gets himself and his black magic frozen in the beginning of the fight
Fairy Heart is his black magic, isn't it? I don't see why Zeref can't use exploding flame blade at a weaker level without Fairy Heart. Even if it's weaker without infinite magical power to support it, it should be so weak that it's weaker than Zeref's original magic, which again is stronger enough to trap Natsu and force him to enter DF.
Fairy Heart is infinite power. If Exploding flame blade can get combatted by friendship base Natsu even when Zeref had unlimited power then there is no feats to support that flame blade is powerful at all without Fairy Heart.
